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Re: 37signals becomes Basecamp

#81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, what would you have them do? Would it really be better for them to keep spreading themselves thin supporting too many products? On the contrary, I think them refocusing on Basecamp should give you more trust that they won't pull a Google and pull the plug on it.

The problem is spreading yourself too thin in the first place, getting people to rely on your products, and then pulling them. I think it's much more acceptable for a small business like 37Signals to do this than a large one like Google. Google has the resources to keep products around, 37Signals doesn't.

Sure, it's inconvenient for the end user. But as someone who's started a few projects myself, I would hate to think that starting something means you vow to support it until the end of times no matter what happens.

Re: 37signals becomes Basecamp

#82

It still escapes me why this recent trend of naming companies with the names of products "for brand recognition" (the other obvious example is 10gen to become MongoDB Inc.) It would be interesting to see other companies do that in the past: - "Microsoft is going to become Windows Inc" - "Apple Computers will be known from now on as iPod Ltd" - "The new name of the company will be Air Jordan & Co. Nike no more!"

I think it all depends. What 37signals have done makes sense because outside of the tech arena "37signals" is perhaps a confusing and difficult name/identity. I guess also because Basecamp has eventually become their flagship product they are primarily identified by it. You can trace this evolution in the blog post:

"37signals was founded back in 1999 as a web design firm. With the release of Basecamp in 2004, we began our journey to become a software company. Once Basecamp revenue surpassed web design revenue in 2005, the transition was complete."

"However, because we've released so many products over the years, we've become a bit scattered, a bit diluted."

"So with that in mind, last August we conducted a thorough review of our products, our customer base, our passions, and our visions of the company for the next 20 years. When we put it all on the table, everything lined up and pointed at one clear conclusion. We all got excited. We knew it was right."

"Moving forward, we will be a one product company. That product will be Basecamp. Our entire company will rally around Basecamp."

"From now on, we are Basecamp. Basecamp the company, Basecamp the product. We're one and the same."

This makes total sense. Even if in the future they launch another barnstorming product, if it's under the Basecamp brand/umbrella it will have a stronger brand identity than being launched as a 37signals product.

The same works for 10gen's rename to MongoDB Inc (even if as a UK citizen I find "Mongo" to be a difficult name to sell due to certain negative connotations associated with "mong").

Take a look at Oracle's history [1]:

"Ellison co-founded Oracle Corporation in 1977 with Bob Miner and Ed Oates under the name Software Development Laboratories (SDL). In 1979 SDL changed its name to Relational Software, Inc. (RSI).[8] In 1982, RSI renamed itself Oracle Systems Corporation [9] to align itself more closely with its flagship product Oracle Database. At this stage Bob Miner served as the company's senior programmer. In 1995, Oracle Systems Corporation changed its name to Oracle Corporation."

Again, this makes total sense.

Apple and Microsoft were lucky from the moment of their inception to incorporate with cleverly simple names.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Corporation

Re: 37signals becomes Basecamp

#83
post #74

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Why would a profitable company like Basecamp need VC money?

Profitable companies take VC money all the time. In fact, I would guess that's where most VC money goes to (despite all the high profile SV startups that get press). Companies do so to grow at a faster rate.

More to the point, why would a profitable company who wants to stay small take VC money?

Re: 37signals becomes Basecamp

#84
post #46

10 years after they released Basecamp and apparently it's still their "best idea". This explains why every 37signals blogpost I read was so devoid of good ideas. One hit wonders.

I think most people would be happy to have a single idea that provided the basis for a multi-million dollar business. Have you had better luck?

That's the point though. It's largely down to luck.

It's not about some cutesy generalizations you distil into a formula for success and release as a book.

It's certainly not about what language/framework you decide to use.

Re: 37signals becomes Basecamp

#85
post #46

10 years after they released Basecamp and apparently it's still their "best idea". This explains why every 37signals blogpost I read was so devoid of good ideas. One hit wonders.

If I had one idea with 15m businesses signing up, 7000 every week, like Basecamp has, every 10 years, I'd be happy.

Commas are useful...

Re: 37signals becomes Basecamp

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think most people would be happy to have a single idea that provided the basis for a multi-million dollar business. Have you had better luck?

That's the point though. It's largely down to luck. It's not about some cutesy generalizations you distil into a formula for success and release as a book. It's certainly not about what language/framework you decide to use.

Somehow I don't think luck is the major factor in determining the success of a SaaS business.

Re: 37signals becomes Basecamp

#87
post #11

Two thoughts on this: 1) Strategy is primarily about saying "No" to activities that are not aligned with your goals and values. Here is a great example for saying no in a pretty gutsy way. 2) I have used Basecamp since its launch for my client work and like it quite a bit. However, lately I have preferred to work with Trello. I'm curious to see how Basecamp will change in the near future. Maybe I'm not their target c…

Have just moved to Trello from Basecamp also.

As a single-person team, the free offering from Trello easily Basecamp's.

Much more fluidity and flexibility in how things are organised.

What is Trello like to use with a large team?

Re: 37signals becomes Basecamp

#90

It still escapes me why this recent trend of naming companies with the names of products "for brand recognition" (the other obvious example is 10gen to become MongoDB Inc.) It would be interesting to see other companies do that in the past: - "Microsoft is going to become Windows Inc" - "Apple Computers will be known from now on as iPod Ltd" - "The new name of the company will be Air Jordan & Co. Nike no more!"

We recently changed our company name to Netsparker Ltd. after our flagship product. Because we have no intentions to build and sell 10 more products in the next decade.

However companies such as Microsoft and Apple are in business of building products, not selling only one.

Companies such as 37Signals are interested in building 1-3 products and never to become a huge corp with 1K people and 20 products.

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