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Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by angryasian »

andrewfong wrote: post #297
melling wrote: post #226

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Doesn't Microsoft have 90% of the desktop? About the same dominance in "Office apps", along with their proprietary formats keeping people uncomfortable using "compatible" software. That dominance is almost 2 decades old and it's quite hard to fix. When most people get a job, they're going to be using Microsoft because that's what they will be given. I've never been somewhere where I'm told which search engine to use.…

And Google has an absurd share of the search market, with which they can make or break (and have made or broken) all sorts of businesses. Consumers can choose not to use Google, but businesses can't opt out of how they're listed. The Office formats, for all their quirks, are open and documented. There's no one forcing you to use MS Office. You probably can't switch which OS you're using at work, but Windows is fairly…

>businesses can't opt out of how they're listed.

This makes 0 sense. You can absolutely opt out, but wouldn't every business want to be at the top. I imagine if someone comes up with a better page ranking algorithm they definitely have a shot at beating google.

>bundling

I think its referred to single sign on in the enterprise world. Its much better than having to remember different logons and profiles for every google service (which youtube did)

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by skalkin »

cygwin98 wrote: post #254
mathattack wrote: post #219

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I think Bing is a lost battle. The real question is what can they do on Azure, and can they move people to a cloud-based Office suite. On arrogance - this comes with size. The larger a company gets, the more internal stakeholders they have. What was once a simple, "Of course we'll change that" turns into "Who else is impacted to this change?" to "Let's only change what we need to, and not get distracted by everything…

I think Bing is a lost battle. The real question is what can they do on Azure, and can they move people to a cloud-based Office suite. Bing is actually doing surprisingly well, considering the team competes with probably the most successful department and the foundation of GOOG. IMHO it's likely one of very few successful strategic moves of MSFT in competitive markets. Without Bing, GOOG would pretty much print money…

"Without Bing, GOOG would pretty much print money and pour money on whatever futuristic projects they feel like. "

You say it like Google's futuristic projects are bad things; if anything, we need more of them!

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by general_failure »

YZF wrote: post #273
taylodl wrote: post #197

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Why? What good would a strong Microsoft provide us? What void would that fill? We've been there, done that and frankly, I don't care to go back. They abused their power when they had it and I have no intent of giving it back to them to give them another crack at it. No, I much prefer today's world of Google, Apple, Samsung and FOSS in all its myriad forms battling it out. There's more developer frameworks than ever a…

Really? The world of Google and Apple (Samsung and FOSS aren't even a player) is a world of closed computing platforms where people can't control their own devices and can't and don't code for them. More languages? I don't think so. How many languages can you use to write apps for your iPhone or Android device? Objective C and Java respectively and that's about it. With Google not only do you not control your apps/de…

Well, MS has copied everything the others are doing including the App Store model. This shows how uncreative they are. I would rather have a world without MS too.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by chaostheory »

YZF wrote: post #273
taylodl wrote: post #197

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Why? What good would a strong Microsoft provide us? What void would that fill? We've been there, done that and frankly, I don't care to go back. They abused their power when they had it and I have no intent of giving it back to them to give them another crack at it. No, I much prefer today's world of Google, Apple, Samsung and FOSS in all its myriad forms battling it out. There's more developer frameworks than ever a…

Really? The world of Google and Apple (Samsung and FOSS aren't even a player) is a world of closed computing platforms where people can't control their own devices and can't and don't code for them. More languages? I don't think so. How many languages can you use to write apps for your iPhone or Android device? Objective C and Java respectively and that's about it. With Google not only do you not control your apps/de…

> FOSS aren't even a player

I strongly disagree. FOSS is a huge force for both backend development and front end web development. One can also argue that Android is mostly open. EDIT: The large majority of servers in the world are running on FOSS. I can also predict a large number of upcoming devices like the internet of things to be running on it. Whether or not they run Android is another story.

The only reason FOSS may not be a "player" is because it's not a single monolithic organization, but instead it's a very loose coalition of thousands of individuals, organizations, and companies.

> How many languages can you use to write apps for your iPhone or Android device? Objective C and Java respectively and that's about it.

This may be the case for clients, but a lot of mobile apps also depend on server side apps.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by mkr-hn »

coryfklein wrote: post #154
rbanffy wrote: post #56

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It's called MinTTY and comes with Cygwin. I'd never even consider using a Windows machine without it. http://lifehacker.com/5185647/mintty-gives-cygwin-a-native-w...

Microsoft supports MinTTY and Cygwin? /sarcasm

It doesn't have to. That's the beauty of an open software ecosystem.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by null_ptr »

taylodl wrote: post #294
YZF wrote: post #273

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Really? The world of Google and Apple (Samsung and FOSS aren't even a player) is a world of closed computing platforms where people can't control their own devices and can't and don't code for them. More languages? I don't think so. How many languages can you use to write apps for your iPhone or Android device? Objective C and Java respectively and that's about it. With Google not only do you not control your apps/de…

There's lots of languages you can use to create iOS applications: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3949995/what-programming-... Android allows you to freely deploy your applications to their devices, while iOS requires a little more work. In neither case do you have to go through their respective stores (I'm thinking enterprise/personal apps here). For commercial sales it's increasingly a moot point: consumers are…

You have too much choice until it comes to shipping your work to the public. Then you're at the various App Stores' mercy. The gate keepers may choose to postpone your approval indefinitely, and reserve their right to yank out your product at any time in the future. As a developer, never before in history have you been more beholden to a corporate entity!

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by VLM »

kamakazizuru wrote: post #210
geophile wrote: post #132

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The decline of Microsoft will be a generational thing. At some point, those offices are going to be inhabited by kids who grew up with google docs, dropbox, a variety of IM options, and who have never seen a native email client. When these kids grow up and enter the workforce, they will want to use the tools they know, and will not understand the point of in-house Windows sysadmins, or the software licensing fees. My…

"I give Microsoft ten years until their first quarterly loss." Hahah - If i had a penny for every time I've heard that. I'm an apple user myself - but MS offers all of what you are describing your daughter to be using as well - in fact I know many companies are already rolling their staff onto Office360 and so on. As for google docs etc - if you ever had to really crunch data - nothing comes close to Excel even today…

"ever had to really crunch data"

Most people don't, that's why it doesn't matter. I volunteer as treasurer of a cub scout pack. We switched from Excel to Google docs spreadsheet. We're using about 1/1000th the power and limitations of google docs, and google's capabilities are expanding faster than our needs are expanding. I don't care if Excel would be "better" because we'd only need 1/100000th its capabilities or it would take 20 times longer to learn how to use.

Most business tasks run into exactly the same scaling issue.

Business decisions are never made by qualified techs on the basis of pessimism, they're always by completely technologically unqualified managers in a hurry on the basis of optimism.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by chaostheory »

sdegutis wrote: post #179
adamt wrote: post #160

I'd never thought I'd say this after the years of aggressive (and at times anti-competitive) dominance but I think the world needs a strong Microsoft again. Although Microsoft remains very strong in the corporate world, its presence in the Internet and mobile worlds are now pretty limited and leaving the two power-houses of Google and Apple to shape the industry. Satya has done a good job with Azure, and it will be i…

From a technical standpoint, I'd love to see Microsoft starting to gain more traction in the developer world. Coming from Java and Objective-C, I'm pretty excited about C# and .NET, which seem much friendlier towards us developers.

In the past MS was very antagonistic towards open source and even open source projects within their own ecosystem. N-Hibernate and N-Unit come to mind as examples.

Why did this matter? Innovation is much faster and a lot cheaper with open source. Other platforms benefited and grew from it, and a lot of people left the MS ecosystem because it seemed to stagnate i.e. you have to re-invent a lot of wheels when staying in MS's world while all of that is already done and freely available to you on other platforms.

I'm not saying that MS hasn't changed their stance on open source (Codeplex is a prime example). I'm just telling the story of how MS lost traction with developers.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by stock_toaster »

angryasian wrote: post #330
Crito wrote: post #301

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> "There's lots of languages you can use to create iOS applications: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3949995/what-programming-... . " Compared to truly open devices, and moderately open systems (even Windows or OSX), that is an absolute joke.

I could be wrong but isn't it by default osx doesn't allow you to install apps that aren't from the app store as well.

you are indeed wrong. By default apps need only to be signed. This is also easy to bypass (right click and select open while holding...option i think? not at workstation right now..) as well as easy to change globally (preferences).
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