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Firefox 27 Released

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Re: Firefox 27 Released

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Post by nly »

nfoz wrote: post #17
LukeShu wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think so. It's easy now to look at the headline and think "Oh, just another Firefox release, it happens what? once a month?". That's a good thing. Users are upgrading, the process is smooth; Mozilla's having a relatively easy time iterating. Remember when Firefox 3, 4, and 5 came out? Each time, it was a big deal. Many complained and groaned. The upgrade process was problematic for many users. Some users woul…

I would much rather a long-term-stable product with fewer security vulnerabilities that didn't need frequent updates.

I think that's a false dichotomy. High profile targets like FF aren't going to survive without frequent updates, regardless of feature bumping releases. Personally I wouldn't want to have to go back to convincing people to upgrade between major releases again, and thus far Mozilla has kept FF pretty stable so I see no reason to worry.

Re: Firefox 27 Released

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Post by mccr8 »

mda wrote: post #24

One disturbing thing about Mozilla security is that most of the "Critical" flaws[1] in their list would be marked as "High" on Chrome because of Chrome's superior security model. [1] https://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/firef...

That is very unfortunate, but there is ongoing work on making Firefox multiprocess and sandboxed.

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Sandbox

Re: Firefox 27 Released

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Post by hollerith »

nirvdrum wrote: post #23
nfoz wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would much rather a long-term-stable product with fewer security vulnerabilities that didn't need frequent updates.

Check out the Firefox ESR builds. They're supported for 1 year. Not super long-term, but better than 6 weeks: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/

My browser is on the ESR (Extended Support Release) update channel instead of the usual, "release" update channel.

I can recommended it.

Re: Firefox 27 Released

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Post by iagooar »

Some time ago I was a Firefox user. Then Chrome came out and I first started using it for free-time browsing, while still developing on Firefox. Later, I decided to fully migrate to Chrome.

I've decided to change it again, so I'm going to give Firefox a try during this month. For now, it looks really nice, performance seems to be quite good and the feeling of getting at least a small part of my digital life away from Google feels nice as well.

Tomorrow I'll be trying out the Firefox' developer tools.

I'd be really happy if Firefox convinced me to stay, as I really love what Mozilla is doing for the web community.

Re: Firefox 27 Released

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Post by fabrice_d »

gtaylor wrote: post #26
nfoz wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would much rather a long-term-stable product with fewer security vulnerabilities that didn't need frequent updates.

On the flipside, a frequently updated browser that is constantly improving is a bit of a moving target. Because of the ease for them to push out updates, vulnerabilities can be fixed and pushed out to the vast majority of users in short order. Malicious people may only get a few days/weeks to wreak havoc at a large scale, as the vast majority will have updated shortly after the problem is fixed. In Forefox's case, th…

Note that we don't wait 6 weeks to push security updates when there is any serious issue. We do "chemspill" releases in these cases to fix the problem as soon as possible (usually less than 2 days after it's reported).

Re: Firefox 27 Released

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Post by gtaylor »

fabrice_d wrote: post #35
gtaylor wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the flipside, a frequently updated browser that is constantly improving is a bit of a moving target. Because of the ease for them to push out updates, vulnerabilities can be fixed and pushed out to the vast majority of users in short order. Malicious people may only get a few days/weeks to wreak havoc at a large scale, as the vast majority will have updated shortly after the problem is fixed. In Forefox's case, th…

Note that we don't wait 6 weeks to push security updates when there is any serious issue. We do "chemspill" releases in these cases to fix the problem as soon as possible (usually less than 2 days after it's reported).

And I am thankful for this! You guys do great work.

Re: Firefox 27 Released

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Post by blinkingled »

I am using FF on Android (both phone and tablet) with sync and great addons like adblock/self destructing cookies/lastpass and am mostly a happy camper. Mozilla has resolved most of the performance issues barring one - compared to Chrome or stock browser the time it takes for FF to go from link tapped to page loading started is a bit annoyingly high. Many times after tapping a link it just sits there doing nothing or showing the spinner in the URL bar for quite some time.

Not sure if it's the addons but I recall having similar issue on a fresh install. If anyone from Mozilla reading this has any pointers, please let me know.

Edit: Also the one other thing that frequently bugs me is FF not honoring the Android intent system. YouTube and Play Store links when opened in FF give me no option of opening them in their respective apps - it goes straight to the URL. I guess I'll file a bug for this issue.

Re: Firefox 27 Released

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Post by twobeard »

LukeShu wrote: post #15
terabytest wrote: post #8

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Is that sarcasm?

I don't think so. It's easy now to look at the headline and think "Oh, just another Firefox release, it happens what? once a month?". That's a good thing. Users are upgrading, the process is smooth; Mozilla's having a relatively easy time iterating. Remember when Firefox 3, 4, and 5 came out? Each time, it was a big deal. Many complained and groaned. The upgrade process was problematic for many users. Some users woul…

It's a good thing? Yeah, except that you waste half an hour EACH DAY staring at automatic software updates. At this point I simply disable automatic updates for much of the programs on my PC. This fashion of quick release cycles has gone way overboard.

Re: Firefox 27 Released

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Post by rubiquity »

iagooar wrote: post #34

Some time ago I was a Firefox user. Then Chrome came out and I first started using it for free-time browsing, while still developing on Firefox. Later, I decided to fully migrate to Chrome. I've decided to change it again, so I'm going to give Firefox a try during this month. For now, it looks really nice, performance seems to be quite good and the feeling of getting at least a small part of my digital life away from…

I think you'll be quite impressed with Firefox's developer tools again. I've been more and more unhappy with Chrome's tools, mostly the subtle changes of not having filters and things so readily available anymore. The Firefox tools are quite slick though. I don't even use Firebug anymore.
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