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Re: Put.io

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Post by sergiotapia » Tue, Feb 04, 2014, 1:30 PM UTC

k-mcgrady wrote: post #187

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #145

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So there are two groups of people on this planet: (a) Those who download stuff illegally instead of paying like 0.01% of their disposable income per year for it whilst making about as much money as those who have created the content. (b) Those who download stuff illegally instead of having no access at all or paying completely unaffordable fantasy prices for it whilst making only a fraction of those who have created…

>> "There simply is no Netflix in most parts of the world that gives you reliable access to a huge movie library for peanuts." True but you can still get movies via DVD or VHS is those places. e.g. If I don't have access to Spotify it does't give me a valid excuse to pirate. I can still purchase through iTunes or buy CD's.

Spoken like a true gringo.

Re: Put.io

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Post by sergiotapia » Tue, Feb 04, 2014, 1:31 PM UTC

diminoten wrote: post #76

baddox wrote: post #30

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There are seedbox providers which require very little knowledge or effort.

Took me 3 minutes to get put.io working. Name one seedbox provider that can be set up that quickly.

I'm an IT RETARD - I have no shame about that. At best I know about sudo apt-get install - but seedbox configurations on most providers is click next next next.

They even have 1 click installers, it's really simple.

Re: Put.io

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Post by actsasbuffoon » Tue, Feb 04, 2014, 1:34 PM UTC

lucb1e wrote: post #213

Wait, I don't get it. This is basically the same as running a server with a torrent daemon (like Transmission) on it, except you pay them instead of get your own server? Also their arguments are somewhat invalid: > People sharing your internet connection. They hate you! With put.io, you won't disturb them, because you won't be hogging all the bandwidth. It doesn't matter whether I download 18GB from http(s) or from a…

I think the primary benefit is plausible deniability. Such a service wouldn't make it impossible to be legally targeted, but it could make it sufficiently unpleasant that they decide to target a more brazen offender. It's a bit like fleeing from a bear; you don't need to be the fastest runner, you just have to be a little faster than the slowest person.

Having the server in someone else's name provides a slight buffer, but is hardly insurmountable. If the server belongs to a company in another country then that could make it difficult for a local court to issue a subpoena that's enforceable in said company's jurisdiction. If you are one of a dozen users of a given server then that could hypothetically make it harder to prove which user was the infringer.

All of that is obviously hypothetical, I am not a lawyer, and I certainly don't have expertise in international law. These are simply the musings of my groggy brain first thing in the morning. Anyone who isn't half asleep care to weigh in?

Re: Put.io

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Post by nly » Tue, Feb 04, 2014, 1:37 PM UTC

modo_ wrote: post #109

steelaz wrote: post #107

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A lot of people mention ability to almost instantly stream the movie you want, but you can already do that using torrents. It's called sequential downloading. After buffering a few % of the whole torrent, you can start watching it with VLC (not sure if other players support it).

Sequential downloading is considered by many to be bad for the health of the torrent [1], and many developers refuse to implement it into their software/libraries [2]. [1] http://wiki.vuze.com/w/Sequential_downloading_is_bad [2] https://trac.transmissionbt.com/ticket/452

Wasn't the idea of the tracker in Bittorrent to decide who gets what chunk, ensure fairness and maximize availability?

Re: Put.io

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Post by nly » Tue, Feb 04, 2014, 1:43 PM UTC

bitfetch is a similar service, but requires no registration and uses bitcoin for payment exclusively.

https://bitfetch.com/

Re: Put.io

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Post by adrinavarro » Tue, Feb 04, 2014, 1:49 PM UTC

larrybolt wrote: post #215

adrinavarro wrote: post #175

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Hey! Someone uses showRSS! Glad you like it :D

I loved it! And still do, but sadly I moved to a RPi/XBMC/transmission/SickBeard/Couchpotato setup which was very easy to setup using xbian, thus not using showRSS anymore. The raspberry is a bit underpowered (according to me) though, so I'm thinking about replacing SickBeard with showRSS again. Pitty there isn't a good & easy way to do it. (not that I'm afraid of doing it all manually). Perhaps also interesting, bef…

ShowRSS right now works as a piece in the workflow for many people: feed what aired a few hours ago to another system. It hasn't got an archive and it doesn't serve as one. Thus, no option to do what you say… it's meant for the last week or so, not a lot more.

It does what it does pretty well, though. The new system reads a few sources (not just EZTV) and picks the best releases. So, 720p for everyone in a matter of hours and for almost every show you can think of.

P.S: have you thought about using transmission+dyndns? It's how I run it (minidlna+transmission, and showRSS pushes to my rasppi, no RSS involved!).

Re: Put.io

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Post by scrabble » Tue, Feb 04, 2014, 1:52 PM UTC

It seems that the company would have a higher level of plausible deniability of their screenshots didn't display torrents of material under copyright.

Re: Put.io

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Post by rs » Tue, Feb 04, 2014, 1:58 PM UTC

mindcrash wrote: post #141

Interesting proposition, but: "Our servers are in Netherlands" Are they insane? If there's any country hostile to these kinds of services it's the Netherlands. The copyright outfit BREIN is taking down Usenet providers (if they can proof they are willingly providing access to pirated material), Usenet communities and Torrent communities housed in the Netherlands left and right; I can't imagine they would leave someth…

Looking at whois of their IP address, looks like Leaseweb, who are a fairly large hosting company.

Re: Put.io

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Post by brador » Tue, Feb 04, 2014, 2:03 PM UTC

edraferi wrote: post #219

possibilistic wrote: post #134

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> I can be watching a movie 60 seconds after thinking of it. Is that at all legal? Unless you mean films that have fallen into the public domain or that remain unlicensed in your nation or jurisdiction, I'm pretty sure this is unlawful. If there aren't laws on the books yet concerning a 3rd party service downloading or hosting pirated content on one's behalf yet, I would still consider this to be unethical behavior.…

I have to agree. the service clearly targets people who want to access consumer video torrents, and much of that content is pirated. they avoid some problems by requiring everyone to pay directly. Megaupload really got into trouble for their affiliate programs, which essentially paid people to upload pirated content. Those programs drove a whole industry in Vietnam. They clearly keep track of unique torrents across u…

Are they seeding too? or just leaching?

Re: Put.io

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Post by brador » Tue, Feb 04, 2014, 2:07 PM UTC

merry-year wrote: post #190

TallGuyShort wrote: post #82

It seems as though the primary use case being discussed and implied is torrenting of media that is not legal (however ethical you feel it may be) to torrent in many countries. Please remember that when you do so, you weaken the case the rest of us have against the same laws you're ignoring, against DRM, against intrusions into our privacy, and against unfair ISP practices.

Just the opposite - every time you buy any content from the evil media mega corps you're funding their war against privacy, democracy and individual freedoms.

You're also funding them to make the content you enjoy.