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Re: Put.io

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Post by ceol »

fridek wrote: post #166
ceol wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's not delude ourselves into thinking the people who are in group (b) are the ones who have enough money to afford a high-bandwidth internet connection, a modern computer, and the knowledge to know what torrents and the accompanying technology are. The vast majority of people will be using this to watch movies they don't feel like paying for. There might be a handful who genuinely can't access it, who have no way…

In my part of the world (Eastern Europe) 25 mbps no-quota costs about $20/mo (~2% avg income) in the urban areas. Outside of cities the price stays the same but usually only (A)DSL is available, with bandwidth ranging from 512kbps to ~15mbps. Accidentally, an average price of a DVD movie is also around $20. So yes, there are places where fast internet is affordable, yet movies are not. Unless you want to watch only o…

If a $20 DVD isn't affordable, $20/mo internet isn't. (I'm also fairly skeptical that your average DVD movie is $20, as though that's the absolute lowest you'll ever pay.) Movies aren't a God-given right, so it's not like you deserve a set amount of movies per month.

Even then, while that situation is certainly more excusable, you're still the minority. That site isn't made for the Eastern European lower class who can't afford to buy a DVD. It's made for folks who have the money (which means they can purchase and maintain a computer as well as a monthly internet connection) but who don't feel like spending it.

Plus, I'm fairly sure iTunes has movie rentals in most Eastern European countries.[0]

[0]: http://support.apple.com/kb/ts3599

Re: Put.io

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Post by ceol »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #178
ceol wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's not delude ourselves into thinking the people who are in group (b) are the ones who have enough money to afford a high-bandwidth internet connection, a modern computer, and the knowledge to know what torrents and the accompanying technology are. The vast majority of people will be using this to watch movies they don't feel like paying for. There might be a handful who genuinely can't access it, who have no way…

Here's a list of countries by number of broadband internet connections: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_... Now, if you like you can work out the intersection with countries that have access to a similarly complete selection of movies at comparable cost to what Netflix offers in the U.S. You will quickly find out that your "handful" of people is in fact hundereds of millions of people.

That really does nothing to disprove my point that people who can't afford movies (either purchasing, or importing, or renting in iTunes) are also extremely unlikely to be able to afford broadband internet and a modern computer and be knowledgeable enough to handle a cloud-based torrent client.

Re: Put.io

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Post by viseztrance »

fridek wrote: post #166
ceol wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's not delude ourselves into thinking the people who are in group (b) are the ones who have enough money to afford a high-bandwidth internet connection, a modern computer, and the knowledge to know what torrents and the accompanying technology are. The vast majority of people will be using this to watch movies they don't feel like paying for. There might be a handful who genuinely can't access it, who have no way…

In my part of the world (Eastern Europe) 25 mbps no-quota costs about $20/mo (~2% avg income) in the urban areas. Outside of cities the price stays the same but usually only (A)DSL is available, with bandwidth ranging from 512kbps to ~15mbps. Accidentally, an average price of a DVD movie is also around $20. So yes, there are places where fast internet is affordable, yet movies are not. Unless you want to watch only o…

It can get even lower than that. Living in Eastern Europe as well. Paying less than 10 USD for a 50Mb connection.

Re: Put.io

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Post by stigi »

I don't want to be offensive, but what's the news in this post? Why is it no 1 on HN right now?

Re: Put.io

#185

Post by andreasvc »

krisdol wrote: post #149
gcb0 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is just silly. It will make the download slower for the majority of people in some weird cases (i.e. bastards that download and stop right away when done, making the end of the files really rare) That said, I have 7 torrents of pretty uncommon data that is lingering with missing parts. none of the movies, so i doubt it is because someone used sequential download. Point being, for movies and music, where sequenti…

Sequential downloading defeats one of the primary goals of torrents: to make rare data common. If only one peer has chunk ae986f6ea789 of a torrent, it makes sense that you'd want to download that chunk first in case the peer disconnects before it's fully seeded. Even with movies/music, 70% of the peers may have the first 70% of the movie downloaded, so if you join the swarm it would make sense to throw you at the fi…

This argument is moot when you're streaming some blockbuster movie, there will not be any rare chunks to speak of. The client could implement a threshold where sequential downloading is only switched on when there are x number of seeders.

Re: Put.io

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Post by EddSeabrook »

ceol wrote: post #181
fridek wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my part of the world (Eastern Europe) 25 mbps no-quota costs about $20/mo (~2% avg income) in the urban areas. Outside of cities the price stays the same but usually only (A)DSL is available, with bandwidth ranging from 512kbps to ~15mbps. Accidentally, an average price of a DVD movie is also around $20. So yes, there are places where fast internet is affordable, yet movies are not. Unless you want to watch only o…

If a $20 DVD isn't affordable, $20/mo internet isn't. (I'm also fairly skeptical that your average DVD movie is $20, as though that's the absolute lowest you'll ever pay.) Movies aren't a God-given right, so it's not like you deserve a set amount of movies per month. Even then, while that situation is certainly more excusable, you're still the minority . That site isn't made for the Eastern European lower class who c…

Your first sentence doesn't make any sense -- There is so much more that you can do with a $20/mo internet connection than a $20 DVD. I would go as far as to say that today, in the developed world, an internet connection is a necessity; DVDs on the other hand are not.

Re: Put.io

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Post by k-mcgrady »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #145
TallGuyShort wrote: post #82

It seems as though the primary use case being discussed and implied is torrenting of media that is not legal (however ethical you feel it may be) to torrent in many countries. Please remember that when you do so, you weaken the case the rest of us have against the same laws you're ignoring, against DRM, against intrusions into our privacy, and against unfair ISP practices.

So there are two groups of people on this planet: (a) Those who download stuff illegally instead of paying like 0.01% of their disposable income per year for it whilst making about as much money as those who have created the content. (b) Those who download stuff illegally instead of having no access at all or paying completely unaffordable fantasy prices for it whilst making only a fraction of those who have created…

>> "There simply is no Netflix in most parts of the world that gives you reliable access to a huge movie library for peanuts."

True but you can still get movies via DVD or VHS is those places. e.g. If I don't have access to Spotify it does't give me a valid excuse to pirate. I can still purchase through iTunes or buy CD's.

Re: Put.io

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Post by izolate »

mikevm wrote: post #159
msoad wrote: post #58

These are the reasons put.io is awesome: - It caches torrents that other people downloaded(popular torrents) so if you add them, they are in your library immediately - You can subscribe to RSS feeds of TV shows from showrss.info without needing to download every show individually - You can install the XBMC app to access you content there - A REST API? Yup! They have it! - It converts videos to MP4 on their cloud - Yo…

You forgot the best reason: - It links all your downloaded content directly to your credit card, thus incriminating you.

That in itself is the sole reason why I'm out. Put.io in general looks interesting however.

Re: Put.io

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Post by merry-year »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #82

It seems as though the primary use case being discussed and implied is torrenting of media that is not legal (however ethical you feel it may be) to torrent in many countries. Please remember that when you do so, you weaken the case the rest of us have against the same laws you're ignoring, against DRM, against intrusions into our privacy, and against unfair ISP practices.

Just the opposite - every time you buy any content from the evil media mega corps you're funding their war against privacy, democracy and individual freedoms.
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