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Re: Put.io

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Post by mindcrash »

Interesting proposition, but:

"Our servers are in Netherlands"

Are they insane? If there's any country hostile to these kinds of services it's the Netherlands. The copyright outfit BREIN is taking down Usenet providers (if they can proof they are willingly providing access to pirated material), Usenet communities and Torrent communities housed in the Netherlands left and right; I can't imagine they would leave something screaming that it basically is intended for violating copyright and with rising popularity like put.io alone for long.

Re: Put.io

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Post by aragot »

Nursie wrote: post #123
pikachu_is_cool wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He never said it was unethical. He said that doing illegal things with these torrents will only give the corporations/ones in power more leeway into getting politicians to pass laws that require DRM, violate our privacy, etc.

No he said it would weaken the case, I was wondering how. If piracy stops people will say DRM works and they need more powers to really cement it in place. If piracy continues then people will say they need more DRM to stop it. I cannot see how the existence of this site (or other torrent services) weakens the case against DRM.

If there is piracy, more laws will be passed, possibly ending up axing every category of Internet usage.

Re: Put.io

#143

Post by Tarang »

notfed wrote: post #12
tlongren wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No seeding from your home internet connection.

I don't understand--you can easily turn off seeding from your home internet connection with any torrent software.

Its not only that, a download over HTTP uses less bandwidth than a download over torrent because of the block overhead. It does end up being quite significant.

Additionally you don't need to upload anything at all to be able to download something. Typically when downloading a torrent you do have to upload something for the swarm to prioritize data to you.

Re: Put.io

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Post by chc »

possibilistic wrote: post #134
gfunk911 wrote: post #45

I use and love put.io. Completely hassle free. I'd never go back. The killer feature is instant completion of torrents if someone else has already downloaded them. I can be watching a movie 60 seconds after thinking of it.

> I can be watching a movie 60 seconds after thinking of it. Is that at all legal? Unless you mean films that have fallen into the public domain or that remain unlicensed in your nation or jurisdiction, I'm pretty sure this is unlawful. If there aren't laws on the books yet concerning a 3rd party service downloading or hosting pirated content on one's behalf yet, I would still consider this to be unethical behavior.…

Considering it probably wouldn't be any more legal the slower way, I can't see how that question is salient.

Re: Put.io

#145

Post by fauigerzigerk »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #82

It seems as though the primary use case being discussed and implied is torrenting of media that is not legal (however ethical you feel it may be) to torrent in many countries. Please remember that when you do so, you weaken the case the rest of us have against the same laws you're ignoring, against DRM, against intrusions into our privacy, and against unfair ISP practices.

So there are two groups of people on this planet:

(a) Those who download stuff illegally instead of paying like 0.01% of their disposable income per year for it whilst making about as much money as those who have created the content.

(b) Those who download stuff illegally instead of having no access at all or paying completely unaffordable fantasy prices for it whilst making only a fraction of those who have created the content.

In which group you fall depends mostly on where you were born. And this is not primarily a debate about inequality as much as it is about infrastructure. There simply is no Netflix in most parts of the world that gives you reliable access to a huge movie library for peanuts.

So when you say "you weaken the case the rest of us" you should be aware of how "you" and "us" can mean very different things depending on who says that to whom.

Re: Put.io

#146

Post by avodonosov »

All download data flows to put.io and don't take your bandwidth. But then you download it via http - the same files. What's the point? You only save bandwidth avoiding torrent seeding. Is it so significant to worry about it?

Re: Put.io

#147

Post by PsychoBilly »

I'd rather commit sepukku than paying a web-service that charges 10$/month to seed for just 2 days until 2 ratio. I'll go with a cheap debian server + apt-get install transmission-cli

Re: Put.io

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Post by krisdol »

gcb0 wrote: post #119
modo_ wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sequential downloading is considered by many to be bad for the health of the torrent [1], and many developers refuse to implement it into their software/libraries [2]. [1] http://wiki.vuze.com/w/Sequential_downloading_is_bad [2] https://trac.transmissionbt.com/ticket/452

That is just silly. It will make the download slower for the majority of people in some weird cases (i.e. bastards that download and stop right away when done, making the end of the files really rare) That said, I have 7 torrents of pretty uncommon data that is lingering with missing parts. none of the movies, so i doubt it is because someone used sequential download. Point being, for movies and music, where sequenti…

Sequential downloading defeats one of the primary goals of torrents: to make rare data common. If only one peer has chunk ae986f6ea789 of a torrent, it makes sense that you'd want to download that chunk first in case the peer disconnects before it's fully seeded. Even with movies/music, 70% of the peers may have the first 70% of the movie downloaded, so if you join the swarm it would make sense to throw you at the final 30% in order to increase potential bandwidth to those chunks. I also see overall speed going down as too many peers are requesting the same chunks, when they could be getting other chunks at higher speeds
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