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Re: About Ukraine

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From what i can see here - there is a lot of hackers among protesters. They do they day work and go throwing rocks in the police afterwards.

Case in point: https://github.com/fre5h/DoctrineEnumBundle/pull/12#issuecom...

bwahahahahah that's awesome:

I will take a look later. Much much later. Because I'm Ukrainian and we have revolution right now. Sorry

And then the supportive comments. <3 open sores software.

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Why so much Ukraine on HN? Protests are happening almost everyday in some european country. No Thailand protests covered here. Why the hysteria about Ukraine here?

From what i can see here - there is a lot of hackers among protesters. They do they day work and go throwing rocks in the police afterwards.

Yes, Ukraine has one of the largest IT outsourcing economies in Europe. That may be far from the start-up world of Silicon Valley, but that somewhat affects the US IT industry.

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Case in point: https://github.com/fre5h/DoctrineEnumBundle/pull/12#issuecom...

bwahahahahah that's awesome: I will take a look later. Much much later. Because I'm Ukrainian and we have revolution right now. Sorry And then the supportive comments. <3 open sores software.

Yeah, that comment also reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0WStLAYB9Q. OK, I'll stop redditing all over the place.

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I agree. This is probably the best way to relate the situation to someone in the US. No one would take you seriously here if you proposed splitting "blue" states into a separate country and proposing a split there seems equally far fetched.

Splitting up the United States is a perfectly reasonable idea and a lot of people take it seriously. http://www.moreright.net/splitting-apart-the-united-states

Given how integrated the economy and land use is, it is not a reasonable idea in the near term. If you actually were going to divide the US on a red / blue split then it would be more appropriate at a county level[1] and would result in a bunch of city-states and one big land area[2].

1) states are not really granular enough given the existence of "battleground states" and what that means for election divisions

2) LA and SF might want to buy a desalination plant fairly quickly

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Splitting up the United States is a perfectly reasonable idea and a lot of people take it seriously. http://www.moreright.net/splitting-apart-the-united-states

Given how integrated the economy and land use is, it is not a reasonable idea in the near term. If you actually were going to divide the US on a red / blue split then it would be more appropriate at a county level[1] and would result in a bunch of city-states and one big land area[2]. 1) states are not really granular enough given the existence of "battleground states" and what that means for election divisions 2) LA…

The split is not red-blue. There are distinct regional cultures in America that might be called nations. Scroll down and look at the county map in the link. Read "American Nations".

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I believe that Crimea (peninsula in Black Sea) wouldn't mind to go back to Russia since it has never been historically a Ukrainian territory. East of Ukraine may not be keen on becoming Russian, but sure as hell they don't want to be ruled by Western Ukraine. Differences between East and West of Ukraine run deep and go far beyond political preferences. West sees East as scum. Period. For example, when Western protest…

East also sees West as a land of rural people who do plumbing/maid work in Europe for food and are wicked nationalists/Nazis. The titushki you mentioned are not shamed just because they're from Eastern Ukraine, but of what they did in Kiev for government money (beatings/vandalism to discriminate Maidan). So I have to admit that there are some deep cultural differences, indeed. But when I try to imagine two Ukraines,…

Do you guys consider federalisation as an option? Ukraine seems like a sufficiently big and diverse country for that. It sure as hell won't resolve the problem of which trade block to join though.

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Much of true and much of false. E.g. that Stalin is the cause of starvation. Note that starvation was at Europe and America too at that time.

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Why so much Ukraine on HN? Protests are happening almost everyday in some european country. No Thailand protests covered here. Why the hysteria about Ukraine here?

Looking at the HN guidelines: "On-Topic: ... anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon." I think you could categorise the Ukraine protests as an interesting new phenomenon in a way you can't most of the others.

Yeah, these medieval brutality scenes show how desperately the government wants power and this fact reveals that Ukraine is fighting not against Russia or supporting joining EU, but for their human rights. Apart from being obviously political it's also an anti-corruption revolution. The whole legislative body is corrupted to issue laws dated by Jan 16 2014. The whole judicial system is criminal to put people to jail for carrying a Maidan badge with them or wearing a helmet. There are no good words about local police and special troops who arrest, torture and kill the innocent. There are 2 main questions to ask: how did this massive criminalization happen? and is there a peaceful way out?

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Putin's longing for USSR is overrated. I don't believe he gives a rat's ass about USSR. Customs Union is a block on countries that have deeply integrated economies, common language (unofficially it is Russian) and common background. CU is just as natural and logical as, for example, European Coal and Steel Community formed after 2nd World War. Whether CU will evolve into political union, like EU is trying to do, is u…

> Putin's longing for USSR is overrated. I don't believe he gives a rat's ass about USSR. I believe he gives quite a rat's ass about USSR. Remember that Putin saw USSR fall under his own eyes. He not only blames Gorbachev for the destruction for USSR, but basically considers him a traitor for things like not approving violence against occupied states during independence uprisings. Besides the sentiments for USSR, he…

Putin's main concern after he quits politics is his personal safety, not rebuilding USSR. Nobody in Russia wants back into USSR, an attempt at rebuilding would be futile and suicidal.

As for "bribing" the countries to join CU - that is the whole point of CU, which implies deeper integration, lower trade barriers, lower prices for gas etc. If you don't want to be "bribed", it is simple - don't take the money (and don't blame corrupt politicians, as if there is any other kind). We may question the motives - some countries are natural fit for CU, like Belarus or, potentially, Ukraine. Some, like Armenia come cheap and are more for the show to create an image of successful regional integration. EU does the same thing - Greece is going to be the major headache for years to come, the role of countries like Bulgaria and Romania in EU is entirely unclear (does EU "bribe" them by transferring money to their budgets?). While having core European countries in a union makes perfect sense.

I hope you realize that Ukraine is never going to be an EU member, which makes the whole argument surreal.

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