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Re: Lenovo to acquire Motorola Mobility

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Post by camus2 »

toyg wrote: post #69
npalli wrote: post #32

Interesting set of moves by Google. Few observations 1. A lot of people are fixated on the sales prices and the $9.5 Billion “loss”. Contrary to gloating from Apple fans, looks like in the final analysis Google paid about $3 Billion for “majority” of the Motorola Patents. Not a terrible deal. 2. Apart from the patents, one reason for the Motorola purchase was to provide some competition to Samsung. Given Samsung’s do…

>Microsoft’s fixation [...] ultimately made them miss the internet/advertising and the mobile markets Actually, MS was quite a pioneer in the mobile space. Their mistakes were in execution (they went after pricy enterprise tools like PDAs rather than consumer-grade phones) and timing (technology simply wasn't ready -- they made a big push on early tablets before capacitive touchscreens changed the whole landscape). G…

> technology simply wasn't ready

no, Windows Mobile was a horrible os, that's all.They tried to port a desktop ui to mobile,it sucked , then they tried to port a mobile ui to desktop(metro), it still sucked. The problem is Microsoft itself,nothing else.

Re: Lenovo to acquire Motorola Mobility

#72

Post by dnautics »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #30
lispsil wrote: post #13

Damnit, I used plenty of moto G's for android development they were great mainly because you could actually buy unlike Nexus constant shortages. Lenovo like most Chinese corps not friendly to open source I imagine they will replace fastboot with some crippled proprietary junk, and be unfriendly to kernel mods

Really? Thinkpads are the most recommended laptops for running Linux. When I ordered mine, Lenovo even gave me a discount when I told them I didn't want Windows and wanted to run Linux. They even have certified some of their products for Linux... Not sure where you get your info.

Dells ship with linux, if you buy enterprise. I got mine with ubuntu, have since moved to mint, works like a charm. Never been happier.

Re: Lenovo to acquire Motorola Mobility

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Post by michaelcampbell »

10feet wrote: post #35
npalli wrote: post #32

Interesting set of moves by Google. Few observations 1. A lot of people are fixated on the sales prices and the $9.5 Billion “loss”. Contrary to gloating from Apple fans, looks like in the final analysis Google paid about $3 Billion for “majority” of the Motorola Patents. Not a terrible deal. 2. Apart from the patents, one reason for the Motorola purchase was to provide some competition to Samsung. Given Samsung’s do…

> Contrary to gloating from Apple fans This isn't necessary, and cheapens a good point. > This deal now creates a solid competitor to Samsung. Samsung has solid competitors with strong global brands. You have Sony, which has been around for a long time. You also have LG, HTC, and a lot of other lesser known brands. You have Amazon, BN in the Tablet space. Not sure what the cheap shots at Apple and Apple fans have to…

Then maybe you could have just ignored it; you effectively Streisand Effected it for me with 2 of your 3 paragraphs devoted to that.

Re: Lenovo to acquire Motorola Mobility

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Post by michaelcampbell »

o0-0o wrote: post #63
buster wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you can be pretty sure that no company will buy Lenovo. Not only because it's big and expensive but because it's a chinese company. It's one of chinas gateways into the western market. The government won't let someone buy Lenovo, for sure. If someone buys a company it will be Lenovo, increasing its portfolio and pushing into US and european markets.

Chinese companies are not off limits for purchase. They just need to mature a bit, become more sophisticated, and distance themselves from their repressive government. After that, the suitors will come.

> distance themselves from their repressive government

How does one do that, short of changing the government?

Re: Lenovo to acquire Motorola Mobility

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Post by vidarh »

10feet wrote: post #35
npalli wrote: post #32

Interesting set of moves by Google. Few observations 1. A lot of people are fixated on the sales prices and the $9.5 Billion “loss”. Contrary to gloating from Apple fans, looks like in the final analysis Google paid about $3 Billion for “majority” of the Motorola Patents. Not a terrible deal. 2. Apart from the patents, one reason for the Motorola purchase was to provide some competition to Samsung. Given Samsung’s do…

> Contrary to gloating from Apple fans This isn't necessary, and cheapens a good point. > This deal now creates a solid competitor to Samsung. Samsung has solid competitors with strong global brands. You have Sony, which has been around for a long time. You also have LG, HTC, and a lot of other lesser known brands. You have Amazon, BN in the Tablet space. Not sure what the cheap shots at Apple and Apple fans have to…

Some quick searches indicates that Huawei and LG have ~4-5% of the market each, and Sony and HTC around 7% or so each.

Meanwhile Samsung is above 30%

Motorola + Lenovo has a shot at 11%-12%.

So no, Samsung doesn't really have any really solid competitors. Especially given that most of the above are not making much - if any - money on their Android phones at the moment.

Re: Lenovo to acquire Motorola Mobility

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Post by vidarh »

camus2 wrote: post #71
toyg wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Microsoft’s fixation [...] ultimately made them miss the internet/advertising and the mobile markets Actually, MS was quite a pioneer in the mobile space. Their mistakes were in execution (they went after pricy enterprise tools like PDAs rather than consumer-grade phones) and timing (technology simply wasn't ready -- they made a big push on early tablets before capacitive touchscreens changed the whole landscape). G…

> technology simply wasn't ready no, Windows Mobile was a horrible os, that's all.They tried to port a desktop ui to mobile,it sucked , then they tried to port a mobile ui to desktop(metro), it still sucked. The problem is Microsoft itself,nothing else.

Windows Mobile may have been a horrible OS, but at the time the main competition was not iOS type devices, but Palm Pilot, Psion/Symbian and the like, and the devices of the time - regardless of OS - were horribly hampered by hardware (I spent '99 working on a tablet running Linux - we got something halfway decent for the time, but imagine a tablet with resistive touch-screen, 486 level cpu and 32MB RAM, at the cost of an iPad).

I agree that if they'd tried to enter that market from scratch after the iPhone, with Windows Mobile, they'd still have problems. But at that time, Windows Mobile did not look all that bad for the market "everyone" were targeting, and the competing OS's were abysmal abominations to work with (I spent '98 in part working on an app for Palm Pilot; I'm still trying to forget the memory management horrors)

Re: Lenovo to acquire Motorola Mobility

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Post by vidarh »

o0-0o wrote: post #63
buster wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you can be pretty sure that no company will buy Lenovo. Not only because it's big and expensive but because it's a chinese company. It's one of chinas gateways into the western market. The government won't let someone buy Lenovo, for sure. If someone buys a company it will be Lenovo, increasing its portfolio and pushing into US and european markets.

Chinese companies are not off limits for purchase. They just need to mature a bit, become more sophisticated, and distance themselves from their repressive government. After that, the suitors will come.

They are off limits for purchase if the Chinese government does not want to allow them to be sold, is the point. If the government sees them as strategic means of growing China's technology sector, good luck.

AFAIK, foreigners can't legally own a Chinese telecoms corporation at all.

Re: Lenovo to acquire Motorola Mobility

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Post by sangnoir »

Oculus wrote: post #41
DannyBee wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" couldn't you spend $9 billion on lobbying to end this whole disaster of a patent system forever?" No. It wouldn't even help. Can folks please get over the idea that just throwing X dollars into lobbying somehow will magically get them what they want from congress. Especially not when you have other tech giants on the other side.

Are there really tech giants that are totally ok with our current patent system? I was under the impression that no company was happy, just some (e.g. Intellectual Ventures backers) are making due with what they can.

Yes- those with large patent pools. IBM and Microsoft, chief amongst them.

Re: Lenovo to acquire Motorola Mobility

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Post by Mikeb85 »

dnautics wrote: post #72
Mikeb85 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? Thinkpads are the most recommended laptops for running Linux. When I ordered mine, Lenovo even gave me a discount when I told them I didn't want Windows and wanted to run Linux. They even have certified some of their products for Linux... Not sure where you get your info.

Dells ship with linux, if you buy enterprise. I got mine with ubuntu, have since moved to mint, works like a charm. Never been happier.

Yeah, now they do. Had the XPS 13 with 1080p screen and Ubuntu been available at the time I was in the market for a computer, I likely would have bought that.

I've heard that Michael Dell uses Ubuntu, I wouldn't be surprised if they offer more OS alternatives now that they're private...

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