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Re: Rename GTFO to GOAWAY

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Post by humanrebar »

redblacktree wrote: post #78
jamesgeck0 wrote: post #66

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We have this weird notion that it's OK for us to curse individually but that there's this wider world out there that hates cursing. I don't think that's true and we should stop acting like it is. Hi, I'm part of the world you don't believe exists. I don't curse, the people I work with don't curse, the vast majority of my friends don't curse, and I've never heard a relative curse. It's not OK to be offensive just beca…

Sure it is. Just as it's OK for you to be offended by it.

And it's OK for them to consider swearing unprofessional. Everyone gets opinions!

Re: Rename GTFO to GOAWAY

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Post by duggan »

gaius wrote: post #74
Crito wrote: post #68

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I can see how 0xCAFEBABE might cause issues in the modern tech community, but 0xDEADBEEF? Do they just hate hexspeak in general?

Vegans. I'll wager someone out there, perhaps unwittingly, has 0xDEADBABE in their binary, God help them if the twitterati finds out.

>> 0xDEADBABE ("Dead Babe") is used by IBM Jikes RVM as a sanity check of the stack of the primary thread

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexspeak#cite_note-13

Re: Rename GTFO to GOAWAY

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Post by ToastyMallows »

elwell wrote: post #30
elwell wrote: post #14

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He probably just wanted to be listed on GitHub as a 'Contributor' to the http 2 spec.

Though, I must admit guilt in this as well; that time I 'contributed' to CoffeeScript by fixing an ascii art inconsistency in the cup of coffee's water vapor in the README: https://github.com/jashkenas/coffee-script/pull/3193

But now it can go on your resume!

Re: Rename GTFO to GOAWAY

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Post by Crito »

humanrebar wrote: post #80
Crito wrote: post #73

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Hold up, the reason I don't chew with my mouth open is that people don't want to see my chewed up food (basically pre-vomit). The reason why I do feel comfortable swearing is because people actually don't have their feelings damaged or hurt by it. The reason I don't insult people is because people actually do have their feelings hurt by it. The reason I don't use misogynistic or racist language (this notably includes…

Some people don't want to discuss sexual acts and bodily functions. Trite as they are, swear words generally refer to one of those things. But besides that, it really doesn't matter if the offense is irrational. It's irrational to freak out at people for one puff of second-hand smoke (assuming no allergies). That doesn't make it any less rude to smoke in peoples' faces. OK. How about this? Putting a not-germane polit…

The word "fuck" evolved past "sexual acts and bodily functions" _centuries_ ago. Do you have the same objection of "screwing off"? I anticipate you claiming that you have objections to the phrase, but do you have the same magnitude of objections? Or is one worse than the other?

Second hand smoke smells. That is an actual reason to not blow smoke into somebodies face, it isn't just tradition.

Putting weird political rants into your documentation would presumably not serve a purpose. The word fuck, despite your disapproval of it, has versatile meaning and can be used in a variety of ways in general speech. If you want a political equivalent, it would be like referencing luddism in documentation. Luddism, originally referring to a specific political movement, has long since transcended its literal connotations. It would not be considered particularly bizarre to use the word "luddism" or "Luddite" in documentation.

On the ridiculous notion of "unnecessary": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_osQvkeNRM#t=105

Re: Rename GTFO to GOAWAY

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Post by Crito »

dllthomas wrote: post #76
Crito wrote: post #73

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Hold up, the reason I don't chew with my mouth open is that people don't want to see my chewed up food (basically pre-vomit). The reason why I do feel comfortable swearing is because people actually don't have their feelings damaged or hurt by it. The reason I don't insult people is because people actually do have their feelings hurt by it. The reason I don't use misogynistic or racist language (this notably includes…

I have definitely known people actually bothered by cursing, though I have every expectation they are not as prevalent as they once were. I don't know quite what the prevalence is, and I don't know what portion of people need to be bothered by something for it to effect your default behavior. Obviously, if you're in a group you know to have individuals (or not) that are offended any behavior and you wish to avoid (or…

The closest I have ever encountered to people being actually bothered by swearing is people who are bothered by children swearing. Teachers that are shocked that children casually use profanity in daily conversations between each other, and the like. Even then though, they aren't actually bothered by the word, but rather by the notion of a child using it.

I would be disciplined as a child for saying that something was stupid or dumb, but it's not like those words bothered my parents. As an adult, when I talk to them I casually use profanity in a variety of cases, and so do they.

Of course if I used profanity directed at them in an insulting manner, they would be upset (as would most people), but that is a reaction to an insult, not the words that were used for the insult.

Re: Rename GTFO to GOAWAY

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Post by Crito »

gaius wrote: post #74
Crito wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can see how 0xCAFEBABE might cause issues in the modern tech community, but 0xDEADBEEF? Do they just hate hexspeak in general?

Vegans. I'll wager someone out there, perhaps unwittingly, has 0xDEADBABE in their binary, God help them if the twitterati finds out.

Heh, maybe. I'd be interested to know if there have ever been any documented cases of vegans actually being offended by 0xDEADBEEF (in anything other than a joking way). Seems like something that is only 'hypothetically offensive'.

Re: Rename GTFO to GOAWAY

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Post by Crito »

SDGT wrote: post #70
watwut wrote: post #56

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Unfortunately, the type of people that actually get offended by this stuff tend to go around looking for this stuff. And once it finds it, it starts twitter campaign against you and your project. If you are have no public talking experience/training, you are going to loose and be labeled ugly names.

I kind of aspire to be that much of a "Jimmy Rustler" one day. I make it a mission to treat people with actual respect, but to be recognized and campaigned against for something like coding a not politically correct, but totally benign protocol into existence, would be an accomplishment I could only dream of at this point. I'd be flattered if someone cared that much.

Being the target of such a campaign can have 'real-world' implications, so you might want to make sure you have "fuck you"-money before looking for that sort of fight.

Re: Rename GTFO to GOAWAY

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Post by dllthomas »

Crito wrote: post #85
dllthomas wrote: post #76

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I have definitely known people actually bothered by cursing, though I have every expectation they are not as prevalent as they once were. I don't know quite what the prevalence is, and I don't know what portion of people need to be bothered by something for it to effect your default behavior. Obviously, if you're in a group you know to have individuals (or not) that are offended any behavior and you wish to avoid (or…

The closest I have ever encountered to people being actually bothered by swearing is people who are bothered by children swearing. Teachers that are shocked that children casually use profanity in daily conversations between each other, and the like. Even then though, they aren't actually bothered by the word, but rather by the notion of a child using it. I would be disciplined as a child for saying that something wa…

Clearly, I know some people you don't know.
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