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Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by bjelkeman-again »

inopinatus wrote: post #118
unoti wrote: post #85

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True! And Dwarf Fortress has more action, less waiting around. Eve Online is often like the real military: wait for 2 hours for 80 other people to show up, then travel for 2 hours, then wait, and then the operation gets cancelled, and travel back home for 2 hours. And you trained for 6 weeks before the event to make it all possible. Never happens like that in Dwarf Fortress!

Eve's client is lightweight enough to run two or even three instances simultaneously. So back when I played regularly I would do that (i.e. fleet manoeuvers i.e. nothing much) on my main character whilst running missions/ratting/managing production or sales with my "carebear" alternate character, or alternatively running around neighboring systems in a cloaked covert ops ship, scouting on behalf of that same fleet. A…

Hah. Running a business is what I do all day. Doing it at night too is what keeps me out of Eve I think.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by bjelkeman-again »

na85 wrote: post #125
mason240 wrote: post #116

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I can't spent 4 hours every Saturday tending to the wounded in Syria like I can with maintaining my side projects.

You could if you chose to do so, but that's a straw man. Refugee health doesn't happen solely in Syria. There are Refugee Health Centres in most major cities, and refugee health is only a small facet of medicine, and medicine is only a small subset of activities that can make the world a better place. Writing a better javascript framework will not make the world a better place.

Great open source software has in fact helped our organisation build apps and services, which supports making the world a better place. I wouldn't be quite as negative as that.

And you can't work all the time. It sucks the creativity out of you. At least for me. So hobbies are important to make the other side function well.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by na85 »

lifeformed wrote: post #130
na85 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could if you chose to do so, but that's a straw man. Refugee health doesn't happen solely in Syria. There are Refugee Health Centres in most major cities, and refugee health is only a small facet of medicine, and medicine is only a small subset of activities that can make the world a better place. Writing a better javascript framework will not make the world a better place.

Why wouldn't writing a better JS framework improve the world? Jquery helped a lot of people get into web development, got them jobs, inspired them to enjoy programming and maybe life itself, helped the economy, helped make websites exist that directly and indirectly help people, etc. There is no reason anyone should be ashamed of doing what they love (unless of course, it's genuinely shameful). Yes, some things are m…

>Why wouldn't writing a better JS framework improve the world? Jquery helped a lot of people get into web development, got them jobs, inspired them to enjoy programming and maybe life itself, helped the economy, helped make websites exist that directly and indirectly help people, etc.

Oh please. This kind of smug self-congratulatory attitude is what makes me hate echo chambers like HN. You enjoy writing code on the side? That's fine.

But don't pretend that your competitor to Uber (or whatever other startup that gets funded and is only really valuable to people in first-world countries) makes you a humanitarian.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by busterarm »

I myself also had to quit EVE after 7 years, but I had one of the best player experiences you can get in that game.

Highlights: Being a member of Veto. Going to Iceland and meeting long-time friends (and meeting Mittens!). Making a best friend. Being present for the first ever Titan kill. Becoming among the richest players in the game without using T2 blueprints. Succeeding at ultra-high level market manipulation for massive profits. Launching several successful manufacturing enterprises. Epic kills that netted ultra rare item drops (prize ships, T2 blueprints). Running multiple identities and spying on people. Playing a key role in breaking up a large alliance through dirty politics. Plotting revenge on someone, slowly working my way into their circle and brutally backstabbing them 5 years later.

Nothing else comes close to touching EVE.

RIP DarkElf. RIP Vile Rat.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by tsotha »

gojomo wrote: post #106

I wonder, is this sort of war good business for CCP, the Icelandic company running Eve? (Do they want more of them, or battles of a particular size/character?) On the good side, I see: • adds excitement/unpredictability/plot • generates outside publicity • ups demands for in-game goods But on the bad side, perhaps: • destroys long-cherished items/positions, weakening interest/attachment • losing side feels sting of l…

By the time you're in one of these sorts of battles you've lost ships. Lots of 'em. You never undock without realizing someday, maybe today, you're gonna lose that ship.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by busterarm »

ZachPruckowski wrote: post #138
gojomo wrote: post #106

I wonder, is this sort of war good business for CCP, the Icelandic company running Eve? (Do they want more of them, or battles of a particular size/character?) On the good side, I see: • adds excitement/unpredictability/plot • generates outside publicity • ups demands for in-game goods But on the bad side, perhaps: • destroys long-cherished items/positions, weakening interest/attachment • losing side feels sting of l…

If you're going to quit because you lost a ship, you're not the sort of player to make it into a Super-Cap fleet for a big coalition. We're talking about people who do things like month-long marathon spawn camps or week-long fleets of shooting at towers. Everybody with a Titan in this fight has at least one other character they play most of the time. Also I think you dramatically over-estimate the impact of this loss…

EVE is full of stories of large organizations that won the battles but lost the war.

Also, everyone should take heart what you said about lost ships. The best players only fly what they can afford to lose. Many of us players who did smaller-scale PvP had "rich-fit" ships just for comedy. Losing 25bil-fit frigates happens and most of us flew them because "fuck it" to begin with.

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Post by busterarm »

nhayden wrote: post #102
alex_c wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people do both - in the most literal sense. One of the top Eve players was killed in the Benghazi attack in Libya in 2012. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Smith_(diplomat)

This guy was nowhere near one of the top players in Eve. He was a pretty normal player.

You clearly don't have a clue. "Pretty normal players" don't get into the CSM.

He was pretty much as exceptional in-game as he was out-of-game.

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Post by busterarm »

streetnigga wrote: post #18

Eve Online is a place where you literally see people grind away to make money for a living, but you don't care because you are working some angle against their trades while battling effing pirates gate camping at Amamake. No one really shouts racial slurs in anger, more disinformation or propaganda while shooting the shit. There is power alliances you cannot reckon with, there are trolls you cannot defeat. Boring bit…

S.R.E.A.M. Get the ISK! Jump out to a clone, y'all.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by lifeformed »

na85 wrote: post #153
lifeformed wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why wouldn't writing a better JS framework improve the world? Jquery helped a lot of people get into web development, got them jobs, inspired them to enjoy programming and maybe life itself, helped the economy, helped make websites exist that directly and indirectly help people, etc. There is no reason anyone should be ashamed of doing what they love (unless of course, it's genuinely shameful). Yes, some things are m…

>Why wouldn't writing a better JS framework improve the world? Jquery helped a lot of people get into web development, got them jobs, inspired them to enjoy programming and maybe life itself, helped the economy, helped make websites exist that directly and indirectly help people, etc. Oh please. This kind of smug self-congratulatory attitude is what makes me hate echo chambers like HN. You enjoy writing code on the s…

I didn't say that JS frameworks are a humanitarian effort. I'm just saying that non-noble things can be valuable too. Not everything has to be a cure for cancer. Just because people have bad lives in 3rd world countries doesn't mean positive experiences by more fortunate people are trivial.

All I said was that inspiring someone to enjoy life and to give them the tools to live a good life is something valuable, and is something worth doing. You're the smug one, by choosing to misinterpret what I said so that you can feel righteous about being the only person who acknowledges their trivial life.

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Post by Qworg »

nhayden wrote: post #102
alex_c wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people do both - in the most literal sense. One of the top Eve players was killed in the Benghazi attack in Libya in 2012. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Smith_(diplomat)

This guy was nowhere near one of the top players in Eve. He was a pretty normal player.

Vile Rat was an exceptional diplomat and a key part of Goonfleet/Goonswarm. He is missed by all who interacted with him.
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