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Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by ChuckMcM »

Interesting coverage on themittani site http://themittani.com/news/b-r5rb-biggest-battle-all-eve

Eve irritates me because I really enjoyed World of Warcraft. I would have much rather Blizzard had stayed on target rather than make many of the changes they did. The advantage of a place like Eve is that space is really really big, and in a planet based environment it sometimes is hard to be that big.

But the cool thing about Eve is how much amazing depth has evolved in that game and how "easily" you can just jump in and be part of something huge.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by cellover »

nyrina wrote: post #16
Qworg wrote: post #11

I miss EVE but it is all consuming, especially when you're part of a great alliance/corp. As an member of Goonfleet/Goonswarm, I ran the logistics for the Battle of XZH, where a scrappy group of upstarts from Syndicate waged a weeks long insurgency against a better funded, better equipped force. We won, at least until they "bought out" the system underneath us, through superior numbers, tactics and logistics. We had…

I think it's amazing that it has kept growing more and more hardcore. I have the impression that if I started out as a complete newb now in EVE, there would be no way for me to get up to speed and be one of the big guys, running a titan(?) It's somewhat the opposite with WoW, that it's been consistently dumped down since Vanilla. I've been playing for all 10 years, thoroughly enjoyed all of it (although some expansio…

I started playing 2 months ago and enjoyed every second of it. After a very dense playtime for the first 45 days (16'000 minutes / 45 days = 5.9 hours a day average), I started to settle a little bit, realizing my social life and mental health was slowly drifting towards complete dedication...

I keep talking with complete strangers that told me even after years of playing they were still discovering news things, tricks or kinds of gameplay.

I guess for newbies you need the patience and dedication to really have a grasp at the game, but even after intense gaming for 70 days I know probably very little about it; and for experienced players you need ways to renew the pleasure, change the type of gameplay you practice, go from nullsec to hisec, challenge yourself with crazy ideas and so on.

Youtube channels of JonnyPew (https://www.youtube.com/user/JonnyPew) and Scott Manley (https://www.youtube.com/user/szyzyg) were very inspiring in that sense.

Ps: I have a 40 hours / week job.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by adamgray »

mattmanser wrote: post #14
davidw wrote: post #4

It actually looks like a pretty cool game - the description reminds me of Elite brought up to today's standards. I can't help but think of this, though: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/online_gaming

It's nothing like elite. The combat involved in this battle is sorting a list by name, double clicking a square and then pressing F1. Once that square disappears, double click another square and then press F1. Oh, I forgot, you might align your camera in a direction of a different square, which represents a local planet, and double click. Occasionally, and especially if your name starts with an a, the whole screen wi…

That's not exactly true.

As a titan pilot, there is more to do than just clicking broadcasts / sorting your overview / aligning. That's the kind of stuff that happens when everything is going well or you are shooting an inanimate object. As a titan pilot on the losing side last night, there was a lot of refitting, repositioning, and co-ordination. Fleet and sub-channel commanders are constantly relaying information over Skype or mumble channels. I personally spent a lot of time trying to get out of bubbles once the call was made to try to extract if possible. This was after two hours of staring at a black screen, praying that my ship wasn't dying without a chance of me fighting back.

There is also an incredible amount of micro that one can do in small gang or solo PvP, but that kind of stuff doesn't make for fancy headlines.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by saraid216 »

Tloewald wrote: post #54
rl3 wrote: post #37

EVE can be played a lot of different ways, but the novelty in each eventually wears off and it becomes monotonous. This is especially true for large-scale alliance warfare, which, if you're at the top is something like a full-time job, and if you're merely rank and file, it's more like a part-time job. In my opinion, the meta-game is more fun than the game itself in this context. There's an entire ecosystem that exis…

For me the novelty wore off in about an hour. Discovering that you it takes (significant) time just to spend skill points so that you can fly the new ship you just bought that it will take you (significant) time just to go and pick up in a game where pretty much all the game play consists of clicking on lists and waiting. I think it's great the EVE has such an entertaining meta-community. I suspect it's precisely bec…

It's worth noting that EVE is an idealized capitalist society, with all the realistic drawbacks that comes with that. I agree that the back story is essentially fantasy, but what you miss is that this doesn't mean you're a classic solo adventurer for whom the world bows down as you pass. (This isn't a jab; in most MMOs, this is the case.)

EVE is principally about market simulation, and pretty much everything you do is either a market externality (e.g., going to war) or a market action (e.g., mining). Contrast with WoW, which is an adventure simulation (if you're not on an adventure, WoW failed), EVE doesn't leave out the boring parts because they're critical to actually simulating the economics.

Which means arbitrage. Which means location matters. Playing the game is about figuring out what kind of entrepreneurship you want to engage in, and then optimizing it to maximize profits.

Yeah, this is non-obvious, and EVE is notoriously bad at teaching newbies. They've been trying to improve it, but it still comes down to finding mentors. Your criticisms are thus on the mark without actually criticizing the game itself; you just never got to play.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by triangleman »

pinaceae wrote: post #34

i'll be "that guy" and fuck, i'm a gamer. imagine that all this energy, time, effort and cash would be spent on some tangible issue. the revolution in ukraine, a movement for civil liberties. there are very creative minds at work within EVE, reading the mittani is amazing. those guys would run circles around the organisers of, say, occupy wall street. to put it dramatically and over the top - the world is burning and…

Borogravia, FYI, you have been hellbanned. No one can read your comments normally.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by mattmanser »

adamgray wrote: post #93
mattmanser wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's nothing like elite. The combat involved in this battle is sorting a list by name, double clicking a square and then pressing F1. Once that square disappears, double click another square and then press F1. Oh, I forgot, you might align your camera in a direction of a different square, which represents a local planet, and double click. Occasionally, and especially if your name starts with an a, the whole screen wi…

That's not exactly true. As a titan pilot, there is more to do than just clicking broadcasts / sorting your overview / aligning. That's the kind of stuff that happens when everything is going well or you are shooting an inanimate object. As a titan pilot on the losing side last night, there was a lot of refitting, repositioning, and co-ordination. Fleet and sub-channel commanders are constantly relaying information o…

This was after two hours of staring at a black screen

Only those still afflicted by eve-addiction can believe that not playing a game for 2 hours is playing a game.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by cgh »

pinaceae wrote: post #34

i'll be "that guy" and fuck, i'm a gamer. imagine that all this energy, time, effort and cash would be spent on some tangible issue. the revolution in ukraine, a movement for civil liberties. there are very creative minds at work within EVE, reading the mittani is amazing. those guys would run circles around the organisers of, say, occupy wall street. to put it dramatically and over the top - the world is burning and…

The world is not burning. We are living in the most peaceful time in human history. A few people playing video games is neither here nor there.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by stackcollision »

Shish2k wrote: post #87
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, this pretty much. A misconception when one looks at the game from outside is that "bigger = better", i.e. a Titan is the best ship in the game and one should strive towards it, just like someone should strive to the max level in WoW or any other MMO because that is the goal of the game. Not so in eve. Usually, big ships can't hit smaller ships, or do effective damage. A Titan on its own is pretty useless, and i…

> Frigate-sized ships, which cost a thousandth of what a titan cost 60,000,000,000 / 500,000 ~= 100,000th (and 100x more fun, IMO :P)

Fact! Tackling is my favorite part of fleet combat. I've pulled out battleships when necessary, but buzzing between the huge ships in a Vigil at 4.5km/s and fucking their warp drives is so much fun.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by sliverstorm »

pinaceae wrote: post #34

i'll be "that guy" and fuck, i'm a gamer. imagine that all this energy, time, effort and cash would be spent on some tangible issue. the revolution in ukraine, a movement for civil liberties. there are very creative minds at work within EVE, reading the mittani is amazing. those guys would run circles around the organisers of, say, occupy wall street. to put it dramatically and over the top - the world is burning and…

It's a wargame. Think of the origins of chess.

Playing an intricate game of strategy/deception/organization/finance can be a form of "practice" for the other things in your life.

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