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Re: Revolution in Kiev

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Post by pinaceae »

sillysaurus2 wrote: post #7

A protester in Kiev did an IAmA on Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1w17qn/iama_protestor_... According to him, "Russia is trying to keep all the former Soviet Union satellite countries under control, and that is the root cause of the rioting."

back in 2006 i started a bet with a friend, i wagered that within 10 years the russian army would enter ukrainian soil. the excuse being restoring order/peace.

it's a 100 eur bet.

i'd hate to win actually, but fuck, it's getting closer and closer. the eastern provinces are russian vs. the west, which is sort of european/polish. civil war is close.

Re: Revolution in Kiev

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Post by desireco42 »

Stunning photography.

What I see here is large scale destruction of presumably their city by it's citizens. I don't see how anything good can come out of mass hysteria and destruction.

Edit... I don't believe for a moment and based on numerous other reports in the media, that assertions about peacefulness of this protest are true or represent anything but something that poster would like to be. Doesn't sound likely and no-one else is reporting it, so most likely is wishful thinking.

Re: Revolution in Kiev

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Post by adamnemecek »

desireco42 wrote: post #14

Stunning photography. What I see here is large scale destruction of presumably their city by it's citizens. I don't see how anything good can come out of mass hysteria and destruction. Edit... I don't believe for a moment and based on numerous other reports in the media, that assertions about peacefulness of this protest are true or represent anything but something that poster would like to be. Doesn't sound likely a…

At the same time though, peaceful protests only go that far.

Re: Revolution in Kiev

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Post by desireco42 »

tsurantino wrote: post #6

One thing really stood out to me about this protest, and that is how isolated and targeted it is against government. The writer mentioned how no shopkeepers are affected, and that protesting is specifically barricaded around the government district. Irrespective of the violence and damage taking place, that there is no collateral means that we can't detract from the focus of the issue.

That is very hard to believe :) and naive assertion, all reports point out to very aggressive 'protesters' that attack security forces to provoke their reaction and that whole nature of protest is changing towards violence and aggression.

Re: Revolution in Kiev

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Post by yetanotherphd »

rosser wrote: post #4

I feel like this kind of thing (the various Arab Spring uprisings, the Ukrainian revolution, &c ) is very well served by the cacophony of amateur/citizen journalism that flows out of an individual event. Sure, at the time, it's incredibly noisy, because there's so much primary source material being created, with such incredible depth and nuance. Once people start to be able to assemble a comprehensive understanding o…

A lot of what seems to be grassroots could be aided, and perhaps even orchestrated, by sophisticated groups with a political agenda, e.g. the CIA.

It would only take around 10-20 bloggers to create the illusion that the majority people in the country felt a certain way.

EDIT: and nowadays, they wouldn't just blog, they would post to Reddit, and maybe even HN.

Re: Revolution in Kiev

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Post by news_to_me »

desireco42 wrote: post #14

Stunning photography. What I see here is large scale destruction of presumably their city by it's citizens. I don't see how anything good can come out of mass hysteria and destruction. Edit... I don't believe for a moment and based on numerous other reports in the media, that assertions about peacefulness of this protest are true or represent anything but something that poster would like to be. Doesn't sound likely a…

Did you read the whole post? It actually seems relatively organized and non-destructive—not a single window broken, according to the report.

For now, it sounds like everyone is united against the Berkut. I'd hardly call it hysteria.

Re: Revolution in Kiev

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Post by rosser »

desireco42 wrote: post #14

Stunning photography. What I see here is large scale destruction of presumably their city by it's citizens. I don't see how anything good can come out of mass hysteria and destruction. Edit... I don't believe for a moment and based on numerous other reports in the media, that assertions about peacefulness of this protest are true or represent anything but something that poster would like to be. Doesn't sound likely a…

From TFA:

3. "The entire Kiev is paralyzed, there is no peaceful life for the regular people."

Kiev is living its own life. All stores and cafes are working, people are going to work, study in universities, get married, divorce and even die their own death. Most of the Kiev populace are not inconvenienced. Imagine if Navalny took over the Red Square and set up his camp there. What would change for you, Moscovites? Nothing. So the only people who are inconvenienced are toruists. A few stores and cafes had to close down in the very center. Also, those living in the center have troubles with logistics. But the entire Kiev is not paralyzed.

So, no, the city isn't being destroyed. (At least not yet.)

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