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How Silicon Valley CEOs conspired to drive down tech engineer wages

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Re: How Silicon Valley CEOs conspired to drive down tech engineer wages

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>The H1B issue is absolutely about providing cheap, endentured labour: visa holders are tied to their sponsoring employer and must appeal to be allowed to seek other employment This is plain wrong. You can very easily shift and people do shift. You just interview with a different company, just like a citizen would.

Sure, but you can only renew the H1-B once (although you can get extensions). Also, most companies make it a policy to not sponsor you for a green card unless you've put in a year or two, and then once you apply for it they've got you by the balls. So every time you switch companies, you're starting the clock over again. This is even worse if a company brings you in through some other visa like a TN-1 or L1 (NAFTA an…

Your comment about TN makes no sense to me. TN is not an immigration-intent visa - if you apply for a green card while on a TN, you have to maintain an address in Canada and prove that you plan to return there. This is very difficult to do, and your green card will almost certainly be rejected and you might be allowed back into the US on the TN. So of course they make you switch to H1B before they'll sponsor your green card.

Re: How Silicon Valley CEOs conspired to drive down tech engineer wages

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Wozniak on Jobs : *...told Jobs the good things these machines could do for humanity, not the reverse. I begged Steve that we donate the first Apple I to a woman who took computers into elementary schools but he made my buy it and donate it myself.* http://i.imgur.com/a1I9DTs.jpg https://plus.google.com/+CarmsPerez/posts/GnVTvQNgvpf

After all this why does Steve Wozniak stay with him.

Because he's fundamentally a nice guy?

Re: How Silicon Valley CEOs conspired to drive down tech engineer wages

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Engineers should make more money than what they are making now. The largest number I heard lately is $240k for a data scientist from Apple. That's too low! That person can make Siri better and make millions for Apple. Why aren't we getting paid like lawyers? If they win $20M they will get paid at least $2M. But if we make a product that generates $20M profit, at best we get $20K bonus. This has to change!

It can take a while for the market in employee skill to change.

Re: How Silicon Valley CEOs conspired to drive down tech engineer wages

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You missed my point. The cost of losing a particular employee at a particular point in time can be far greater than the individual contribution they will ever make. That cost is transient because it depends on the state of a particular project. The value of the employee becomes the value of disrupting the project to the competitor. Matching the offer would be an option, but it would cause massive distortion within th…

That is the nature of at-will employment.

Even in countries with out "at will employment" (y'know the EU), can still be distrupted by an employee leaving. You usually only have to give 1 months notice for when you leave a job.

Re: How Silicon Valley CEOs conspired to drive down tech engineer wages

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I would argue that specialization in software is more about delivering solutions and value. I agree that in general technology evolves, but there is clearly a 20+ year lifespan for some technologies. Cobol is still in demand. As a botique software shop you offer a company critical business infrastructure that gives them an edge. 90% of the software in business is developed or customized for the client. As developers…

And how many Cobol jobs do you see advertised? Close to zero. I am an independent consultant, with 20+ years of experience. Let me tell you, noone who is looking to hire me gives a damn what I did 5 or 10 years ago. The technical problems (and tools used to solve them) 10 years ago were very different than today (even though you and I know that certain principles remain the same). I work pretty hard to remain current…

Exactly.

Re: How Silicon Valley CEOs conspired to drive down tech engineer wages

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Unfortunately, salary information is generally kept confidential. Nature is much more forthright with its facts. There is some information on, say, glassdoor.com, but it's anecdotal. Is there a reliable and high-res salary datasource?

Experian? Supposedly salary information is now being shared with the big credit bureaus, or so I've been informed by HR folks who can apparently know now what you made at your previous jobs.

That is ridiculously intrusive. How in the world is that legal?

Re: How Silicon Valley CEOs conspired to drive down tech engineer wages

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Wozniak on Jobs : *...told Jobs the good things these machines could do for humanity, not the reverse. I begged Steve that we donate the first Apple I to a woman who took computers into elementary schools but he made my buy it and donate it myself.* http://i.imgur.com/a1I9DTs.jpg https://plus.google.com/+CarmsPerez/posts/GnVTvQNgvpf

After all this why does Steve Wozniak stay with him.

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Re: How Silicon Valley CEOs conspired to drive down tech engineer wages

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I want to agree, but the scene here is really incomparable to anywhere else. There's simply too much damn VC money floating around which attracts top business people. Chicago does not have billions of dollars of VC floating around. Austin might. DC does not. Also, the wages here in SV can not be matched anywhere else. It's economically impossible to pay someone a SV wage anywhere else. Economically impossible because…

I'm not sure how reliable indeed is but doing a quick search shows that the average salary for a Web Developer in DC is $105,000. It says the average for a Web Developer in San Francisco (the most expensive city in SV) is $114,000. Now that roughly $10k difference could seem like a lot to some but they'd be mislead to think that money wont get eaten up by SFs extreme cost of living. >...your company in say DC then wh…

I suspect that those numbers don't tell enough of the story. The range of salaries in SV is huge. Netflix routinely pays more than 200k. Tiny startups pay I do think that a developer getting paid 300k (not unheard of for top talent at top companies) in a place like Austin would be ridiculous.
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