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How Angular Lets Us Iterate Like Crazy

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Re: How Angular Lets Us Iterate Like Crazy

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Post by heavi5ide »

oafitupa wrote: post #17
ehsanu1 wrote: post #4

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No, that's due to Ghostery. Recognized it as soon as I saw your image. Ghostery breaks lots of sites, even those it isn't explicitly blocking.

No, that's due to web devs tying the functionality of the website to tracking services. I don't remember the last website that didn't have any tracking services, most of them have many. But that alone doesn't break the Javascript when using Ghostery, let alone the CSS. I haven't analyzed this particular website, but it would typically be that they did everything wrong, like loading the CSS via JS, or that kind of wei…

Hi, article author here. Our blog doesn't have any functionality tied to tracking services except the tracking functionality. If you're using something that blocks all js and css from *.chartbeat.com and you're trying to read a blog post on blog.chartbeat.com, you might run into an issue though :)

Re: How Angular Lets Us Iterate Like Crazy

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Post by Duhck »

largehotcoffee wrote: post #3

I'm not so sure iterating like crazy is a good thing.

To be clear, our iterating like crazy is getting customer feedback and making new features or products to test new ideas as fast as possible.

A few weeks ago I was asked to make a dashboard for a client of ours on the last evening of our hack week. In two hours I had a proof of concept up, the client had a live URL and gave us feedback immediately. We are now devoting resources to making it real. We have angular to thank for that...

Source: I work at chartbeat.

Also you should checkout our product demos, our quality of product is never sacrificed. The newest dashboards really are quite useful and beautiful.

Re: How Angular Lets Us Iterate Like Crazy

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Post by jiggy2011 »

coldtea wrote: post #38
jiggy2011 wrote: post #30

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From the article (the first time "she" is used): "The developer refuses. She’s worked too hard on Feature X, and dammit, you’ll have to pry it from her cold dead hands!!!" With the exception of the unnecessary extra !! I don't see what is wrong with the grammer, it's clear in this context that "she" is the developer.

"Let's artificially use the statistically unlikely case that the developer is a woman, in order to inspire more women to be programmers"... What kind of BS magic thinking is that? If you want to inspire women, teach them about the technology as girls and encourage those who like to work with it. Pronouns ain't where it's at.

This seems rather a stretch , I don't see anybody suggesting that this is a panacea but I see no downside to this approach.

There is no loss of clarity in writing whether your hypothetical developer is a "he" , "she" or any other pronoun. It is certainly preferable to clumsily using "they".

Re: How Angular Lets Us Iterate Like Crazy

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Post by heavi5ide »

onion2k wrote: post #28
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #21

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Well, the alternative is working for days / weeks on a feature that the end-user may not even use (is the message I'm getting from this article). Being able to create and alter a feature quickly is important in an agile environment.

There are better ways to discover whether a feature is wanted than hacking up a test version and seeing if the users use it. The idea is to test whether people want it before that stage. You can ask them, but often they'll say yes regardless because things often sound great. On the most basic level, adding a UI element that responds with nothing more than a "Coming soon!" message and measuring if anyone clicks it wor…

I didn't really discuss this in the article at all, but frequently we hack up a test version (or a simple graph visualization) for internal evaluation, without showing to users at all. To your point, lots of things that sound great don't end up being that great, and we can catch a lot of those things internally before even showing them to users.

What if we graph this thing over a month? Hmmm, sort of always looks like a straight line for all of our test client datasets, and you can't really gain any insight from it. Let's try something different. etc etc.

Re: How Angular Lets Us Iterate Like Crazy

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Post by girvo »

coldtea wrote: post #38
jiggy2011 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article (the first time "she" is used): "The developer refuses. She’s worked too hard on Feature X, and dammit, you’ll have to pry it from her cold dead hands!!!" With the exception of the unnecessary extra !! I don't see what is wrong with the grammer, it's clear in this context that "she" is the developer.

"Let's artificially use the statistically unlikely case that the developer is a woman, in order to inspire more women to be programmers"... What kind of BS magic thinking is that? If you want to inspire women, teach them about the technology as girls and encourage those who like to work with it. Pronouns ain't where it's at.

I disagree with you. Although I stick to "they" as I think it's perfectly fine grammar wise, you getting upset because of your own bias and thinking it's an issue because the author wrote "she" instead of "he" is a bit silly, in my opinion.

Edit: Oh, and language has a massive effect on our thinking patterns, so yeah, you actual could possibly make the case that pronouns matter. They don't to me, at all, and if they "don't" to you, why express frustration or call it "BS"?

Re: How Angular Lets Us Iterate Like Crazy

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Post by ChikkaChiChi »

AngularJS is the best tool for building views that I have come across thus far in javascript.

When I write a view (most of my web apps consume JSON and display it to our end users) Angular leaves me with the cleanest markup I've been able to write to date.

It does seem to get slightly unwieldy if I want to start using additional libraries outside the scope of Angular (such as when I needed to add Google Charts), but for iterating it's the slickest thing since the invention of the ice cube.

Re: How Angular Lets Us Iterate Like Crazy

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Post by pjmlp »

adamors wrote: post #29
pjmlp wrote: post #15

I have been looking into Angular, however I am yet to find it any productive gain as being told here. From what I was able to find out, there isn't any UI component framework available for Angular with the same set of components offering as jQuery has. For developer teams that haven't a clue about CSS dark magic as guys with designer background have, this is a big impediment to use Angular. I have looked into UI Boot…

> UI Bootstrap, but is still seems work in progress. If by work in progress you mean that it's not ready to be used, then you're mistaken. I use it in my current project a lot (started 6+ months ago).

I meant it does not offer as many components as the jQuery based version.

Re: How Angular Lets Us Iterate Like Crazy

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Post by pjmlp »

camus2 wrote: post #27
pjmlp wrote: post #20

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Thanks for the reply. Angula-UI seems a bit too simple in terms of available set of components. I got the idea that although you can use jQuery, it is an anti-pattern and not guaranteed to always work. At least from what I could find in SO and blogs. My main problem is that I and many others in our teams, don't have any problem doing native UIs, but always get lost in the HTML/CSS/JavaScript jungle without designer h…

> I got the idea that although you can use jQuery, it is an anti-pattern and not guaranteed to always work. At least from what I could find in SO and blogs. Only jQuery haters say that. jQuery is totally compatible with Angular,and Angular ships with its own jQuery lite, replaced by jQuery when available. The only thing you need to do is wrap jQuery calls into a directive. I use jQuery and plugins all the time with A…

Thanks for the info.

Re: How Angular Lets Us Iterate Like Crazy

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Post by jules »

marquis wrote: post #19
BlindRubyCoder wrote: post #13

"She" is becoming such a gimmick now.

Given the english language requires a gender-specific pronoun (I grew up saying "They" to the chagrin of my teacher) it always makes me a little bit happy to see She in texts. As a woman it makes you realise how much you don't see it. So it stops being a gimmick once the powers that be let us use a non-gendered pronoun ("they" is perfectly fine to me). Or we see a 50/50 split and rewrite the history books accordingly…

As far as I am aware 'he' has two meanings in common parlance, one gender neutral and one specifically referring to males. 'she' on the other hand has only one meaning, it always specifically refers to females. When people use 'she' when not referring to a woman this always strikes me as slightly weird, just like it always strikes me as slightly weird when I read old quotes that specifically refer to men, e.g.:

"Common sense is the most widely shared commodity in the world, for every man is convinced that he is well supplied with it." -- Rene Decartes

Re: How Angular Lets Us Iterate Like Crazy

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Post by marquis »

jules wrote: post #49
marquis wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the english language requires a gender-specific pronoun (I grew up saying "They" to the chagrin of my teacher) it always makes me a little bit happy to see She in texts. As a woman it makes you realise how much you don't see it. So it stops being a gimmick once the powers that be let us use a non-gendered pronoun ("they" is perfectly fine to me). Or we see a 50/50 split and rewrite the history books accordingly…

As far as I am aware 'he' has two meanings in common parlance, one gender neutral and one specifically referring to males. 'she' on the other hand has only one meaning, it always specifically refers to females. When people use 'she' when not referring to a woman this always strikes me as slightly weird, just like it always strikes me as slightly weird when I read old quotes that specifically refer to men, e.g.: "Comm…

>As far as I am aware 'he' has two meanings in common parlance, one gender neutral and one specifically referring to males.

That works, if you were educated before 1960: "The use of he to refer to a person of unknown gender was prescribed by manuals of style and school textbooks from the early 18th century until around the 1960s" [1]

The thing is, you have read, most of your life, seeing male pronouns. I was a young teenage girl when I realised this and it made me feel left out, like I'd never be relevant. Acknowledging half the population is a good start - I like those programming books for example where Alice and Bob are equally represented.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-specific_and_gender-neut...

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