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Countries Where Windows Phone Outsells The iPhone

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Re: Countries Where Windows Phone Outsells The iPhone

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Such a fucking paid nonsense. I an in India right now. It is Samsung and iPhone country. It was Nokia Symbian country before Samsung and Android era, and you would never see a Lumina phone outside a shop window. Low level Nokia Asha phones are selling well, but they are S40.

I am also in India and I have to say that while Lumias are not everywhere, they definitely have a decent market share. and iPhone country? I don't think so.

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Australia is interesting, where Android actually fell 5.5%, and both iPhone and Windows gained. Even BB gained in Australia. Every other country has Android gaining. With so much competition in Android space, there are some great offers available.

What numbers are you referring to? Curious, I live in AU too and all I am observing is the rise of android against a stagnant MS and dwindling iPhone and BB market shares..

Re: Countries Where Windows Phone Outsells The iPhone

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Look. I don't hate Windows Phone, my girlfriend has the HTC 8X and adores it. With the latest set of big apps ported (like Instagram and Snapchat), it's quite nice. The interface is good, and fast on modest hardware. The browser is pretty meh. PIM functionality is good, as you'd expect from Windows Mobiles pedigree. But comparing an entire ecosystem of phones (with one of the biggest sellers being the $100 Nokia 520)…

Because as developers, you don't develop for a specific piece of mobile hardware, you develop for an OS. If Windows Phone is gaining ground in markets you care about, you'd best care about it, regardless of the specific hardware being talked about. We're comparing ecosystems here, not hardware. We can compare "Windows Phone Phones vs iOS phones" if that makes you feel more comfortable.

> Because as developers, you don't develop for a specific piece of mobile hardware, you develop for an OS.

Speak for yourself, I develop for the web.

Re: Countries Where Windows Phone Outsells The iPhone

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Trivia really. Apple and WP both sell smartphones but they don't really compete against each other. Sure Nokia trots out a high end phone every 6 months or what have you but the sales on those models aren't moving the dial on market share. The people who are in Apple's market ($400+ smartphones) either buy an iPhone or a high end Android phone. The people buying 95% of these WP's (510 is $150 unlocked, 520 is $200) a…

Sure it does. They're just choosing the WPs based on price.

Re: Countries Where Windows Phone Outsells The iPhone

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>> Italy and Finland aside, Windows Phone is primarily growing is poorer nations where the iPhone is prohibitively expensive The markets that Windows outsell iPhone are the markets where iPhone has less than 10% market share and where people need cheaper phones. These are not the markets that are attractive to developers (Revenue/user is much lower than developed countries) and hence Windows will not see developer mi…

I understand Finland (home of Nokia), but why Windows Phones are gaining market share in Italy?

Re: Countries Where Windows Phone Outsells The iPhone

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Australia is interesting, where Android actually fell 5.5%, and both iPhone and Windows gained. Even BB gained in Australia. Every other country has Android gaining. With so much competition in Android space, there are some great offers available.

What numbers are you referring to? Curious, I live in AU too and all I am observing is the rise of android against a stagnant MS and dwindling iPhone and BB market shares..

It's in the data in the article.

Re: Countries Where Windows Phone Outsells The iPhone

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I'm working on a project for a large company that recently made Windows Phone 8 its corporate standard. I have to say that I've been impressed with the phone since I started using one for development. The display, camera and interfaces feel smooth and fun to use. It's easy to bash Microsoft and dismiss its products altogether, but it's important to give them a shot, if only to avoid the mistake of limiting ourselves…

Why? We've pretty much limited ourselves to Apple and Microsoft on the desktop for almost 2 decades. In fact, it has been pretty much limited to Microsoft. They still have about 90% desktop market share, and almost 100% of the corporate desktop.

Microsoft illegally killed off most desktop competition when they forced hardware vendors to pay for DOS on every PC they shipped, regardless of which OS they shipped.

Personally, I think we're better off with Google taking the place of Microsoft in the mobile space.

Re: Countries Where Windows Phone Outsells The iPhone

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>> Italy and Finland aside, Windows Phone is primarily growing is poorer nations where the iPhone is prohibitively expensive The markets that Windows outsell iPhone are the markets where iPhone has less than 10% market share and where people need cheaper phones. These are not the markets that are attractive to developers (Revenue/user is much lower than developed countries) and hence Windows will not see developer mi…

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Windows computers have always been cheaper (in general) than Macs and software developers just flocked to the Windows platform.

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Re: Countries Where Windows Phone Outsells The iPhone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in Vietnam. Windows phone is certainly popular here, but I believe (relying on my own biased observations) that iPhone is vastly more popular. While iPhones are sold by official vendors, it's far more popular to buy "hand carry" phones that are imported by individuals. Of the ~10 people I know with iPhones, all are hand carried. They are cheaper than the official vendors (and not recognized in the IDC report).

Gray market imports are probably distorting numbers in the other countries as well.

Which makes me wonder where all those sold windows phones are. Android and iPhone is what I see around here in Bangkok.

Re: Countries Where Windows Phone Outsells The iPhone

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How long are Microsoft, and those who write about it, going to continue with the delusion that Windows Phone's competition is Apple and iOS, instead of Google and Android? I had spoken to Horace Dediu of Asymco in December for a story on what options Microsoft and Nokia had before them, and here are some of the relevant parts he told me (the article itself doesn't seem to have been put online at Forbes India, who I u…

$50 Android smartphones are coming this year. They've actually existed for quite some time, but this year they will be more "mainstream", and you'll see a lot more models (in poor countries). The combination of the Cortex A7 CPU plus KitKat which is optimized for low-end will ensure they work pretty well, too, relative to other phones in that range with much fewer features and less functionality.

So I doubt Microsoft will have any chance at that market either. Android pours 1.5 million new units into the market every day, or about 500 million per year, and that's before these mainstream "good enough" $50 smartphones arrive, which I think will help Android double its unit grow rate within 12-18 months. Everything else will get drowned out.

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