Countries Where Windows Phone Outsells The iPhone • Hacker News Board

Re: Countries Where Windows Phone Outsells The iPhone

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Post by r0h1n » Wed, Jan 22, 2014, 4:54 AM UTC

tsurantino wrote: post #29

r0h1n wrote: post #26

How long are Microsoft, and those who write about it, going to continue with the delusion that Windows Phone's competition is Apple and iOS, instead of Google and Android? I had spoken to Horace Dediu of Asymco in December for a story on what options Microsoft and Nokia had before them, and here are some of the relevant parts he told me (the article itself doesn't seem to have been put online at Forbes India, who I u…

This is likely to be contentious, but doesn't this effectively say that these phones are basically substitutable products? Are there not dimensions beyond price and volume still left to tap into the smartphone market?

> Are there not dimensions beyond price and volume still left to tap into the smartphone market?

Possibly. But I've personally seen no evidence Windows Phone has that figured.

Re: Countries Where Windows Phone Outsells The iPhone

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jan 22, 2014, 5:08 AM UTC

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #28

snorrish wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in Vietnam. Windows phone is certainly popular here, but I believe (relying on my own biased observations) that iPhone is vastly more popular. While iPhones are sold by official vendors, it's far more popular to buy "hand carry" phones that are imported by individuals. Of the ~10 people I know with iPhones, all are hand carried. They are cheaper than the official vendors (and not recognized in the IDC report).

Gray market imports are probably distorting numbers in the other countries as well.

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Re: Countries Where Windows Phone Outsells The iPhone

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Post by sliverstorm » Wed, Jan 22, 2014, 5:09 AM UTC

eclipxe wrote: post #11

kenjackson wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WinPhone mindshare already has grown drastically. There are certainly app gaps, but it closing fast. And before I'd ask companies if they had a win phone app coming they'd say, "what?". Now it is almost always part of the roadmap.

Citation needed

It's clearly intended as anecdotal evidence. Citation request: WONTFIX

Re: Countries Where Windows Phone Outsells The iPhone

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Post by GigabyteCoin » Wed, Jan 22, 2014, 5:11 AM UTC

Didn't Apple take a more gentrified approach to their sales?

I was under the impression that Apple didn't bother to market to any of the markets listed in that article because they aren't THE LARGEST AND RICHEST MARKETS IN THE WORLD.

It took them over 3 years to release ANY version of an iphone in finland (one of the listed nations in the article): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_iPhone#European_...

U.S.A. Release: June 28, 2007

Finland Release: September 30, 2010

It took them over a year to get to Greece, etc...

People buy what's available and then stick to what they know, generally.

I am not surprised by the findings of this article.

Re: Countries Where Windows Phone Outsells The iPhone

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Post by thekingshorses » Wed, Jan 22, 2014, 5:18 AM UTC

cft wrote: post #16

This is good news for HTML5 webapps developers. Are there any on HN?

IE browser on the wp8 is good, but wp8 as a platform sucks. So many features are not supported or has issues when rendering HTML5 app on wp8 platform.

My HN mobile client works fine on WP8/IE, but so many hacks required to work as an HTML5 WP8 app.

Re: Countries Where Windows Phone Outsells The iPhone

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Post by manojlds » Wed, Jan 22, 2014, 5:26 AM UTC

adolfojp wrote: post #9

kumarm wrote: post #4

>> Italy and Finland aside, Windows Phone is primarily growing is poorer nations where the iPhone is prohibitively expensive The markets that Windows outsell iPhone are the markets where iPhone has less than 10% market share and where people need cheaper phones. These are not the markets that are attractive to developers (Revenue/user is much lower than developed countries) and hence Windows will not see developer mi…

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Windows computers have always been cheaper (in general) than Macs and software developers just flocked to the Windows platform.

But Android is the Windows of the mobile world.

Re: Countries Where Windows Phone Outsells The iPhone

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Post by ethana » Wed, Jan 22, 2014, 5:28 AM UTC

kenjackson wrote: post #7

kumarm wrote: post #4

>> Italy and Finland aside, Windows Phone is primarily growing is poorer nations where the iPhone is prohibitively expensive The markets that Windows outsell iPhone are the markets where iPhone has less than 10% market share and where people need cheaper phones. These are not the markets that are attractive to developers (Revenue/user is much lower than developed countries) and hence Windows will not see developer mi…

WinPhone mindshare already has grown drastically. There are certainly app gaps, but it closing fast. And before I'd ask companies if they had a win phone app coming they'd say, "what?". Now it is almost always part of the roadmap.

This is just anecdotal evidence, but increasingly some of my friends and relatives are including Galaxy and Lumia into their conversations about phone upgrade. So maybe it's getting into the general mind-share.

Re: Countries Where Windows Phone Outsells The iPhone

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Post by brudgers » Wed, Jan 22, 2014, 5:32 AM UTC

r0h1n wrote: post #26

How long are Microsoft, and those who write about it, going to continue with the delusion that Windows Phone's competition is Apple and iOS, instead of Google and Android? I had spoken to Horace Dediu of Asymco in December for a story on what options Microsoft and Nokia had before them, and here are some of the relevant parts he told me (the article itself doesn't seem to have been put online at Forbes India, who I u…

Here in the US, I walked into an ATT store a few months ago. My options for a '$99' phone included a couple of Nokia 900 series Luminas, a Samsung Galaxy S3, an LG Optimus G Pro, and the iPhone 5c.

That's about as head to head as it gets.

Re: Countries Where Windows Phone Outsells The iPhone

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Post by dschiptsov » Wed, Jan 22, 2014, 5:32 AM UTC

Such a fucking paid nonsense. I an in India right now. It is Samsung and iPhone country. It was Nokia Symbian country before Samsung and Android era, and you would never see a Lumina phone outside a shop window. Low level Nokia Asha phones are selling well, but they are S40.

Re: Countries Where Windows Phone Outsells The iPhone

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Post by hawkharris » Wed, Jan 22, 2014, 5:34 AM UTC

I'm working on a project for a large company that recently made Windows Phone 8 its corporate standard.

I have to say that I've been impressed with the phone since I started using one for development. The display, camera and interfaces feel smooth and fun to use.

It's easy to bash Microsoft and dismiss its products altogether, but it's important to give them a shot, if only to avoid the mistake of limiting ourselves to the Apple / Google technology that is most prevalent.