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Announcing the Female Founders Conference (March 1)

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Re: Announcing the Female Founders Conference (March 1)

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While we're on the topic of conferences that target a specific slice, does anyone know if there's something like an Immigrant Founders Conference? That sounds like another demographic that has huge potential and could use some pretty specific kinds of help.

I don't know about immigrant founders conference, but the most prominent push between immigrants and tech sector would be FWD.us movement. (edit: it should be .us not .org)

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So, I understand your intent, I suppose, but a think a more pragmatic viewpoint could be beneficial. Sure, this conference is aimed at women, but many tech conferences are predominantly aimed at men, simply because that's the largest demographic who attend. This isn't hurting men in any appreciable way, and could encourage more equality later down the road. > Some radical feminists only accept 'born as women' to thei…

How are many tech conferences "predominantly" aimed at men?By not saying they're specifically for women? So now not mentioning gender is women discrimination? Nice. Go, Equalia!

I didn't say it was discrimination, in the same way that the conference under discussion is not discrimination. However, have you ever been to a tech conference where, say, a quarter of the attendees were women? I haven't. What I am saying is that creating at least one conference in which a woman is not unusual is not a "wrong" in the way that someone up the thread said.

I don't think it's too far-fetched to claim that conference organizers try to tailor their conference to the demographic who attends. While the vast majority of topics apply equally to men and women, there may be some topics that women will be more interested in, given their minority status in the tech world. I'm saying that it is laudable to create a conference where such topics can more easily be discussed.

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I'm against these, because I'm against gender discrimination. Gender discrimination means that one gender is treated differently from another. It's also interesting to know whether transwomen will be allowed. Some radical feminists only accept 'born as women' to their conferences. And if transwomen are accepted, what's their definition of that.

> I'm against these It's not a football team. It's a conference that someone else organizes. Leave it alone if you don't like it.

I'm against many things that should be legal and that I don't organize. Just because someone has the legal right to hold a discriminatory conference, that doesn't mean I don't have the right to criticize it.

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I have never heard of such a thing in a conference context, but I have seen it come up in others. And I don't think it's helpful to label such exclusion "hate", as it typically comes from women who feel that self-identifying as female is not sufficient to qualify one to be called a woman. But it's a very complex and interesting issue, not worth bringing up here, as you note. It's brought up here to stir the pot, I se…

I referred to the RadFem2012 conference[1]. >I seriously doubt GP actually cares about transpeople at all. That's very offending. 1. http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/05/23/radfem2012-excludi...

OK, so if I follow what you're saying, since RadFem2012 excluded transwomen, the Female Founders Conference probably will too? Perhaps, nawitus. Perhaps.

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I'm against these, because I'm against gender discrimination. Gender discrimination means that one gender is treated differently from another. It's also interesting to know whether transwomen will be allowed. Some radical feminists only accept 'born as women' to their conferences. And if transwomen are accepted, what's their definition of that.

Words have multiple meanings. Yes "to discriminate" does mean to treat one thing differently than another, to discern among various alternatives. That's not the context discrimination is being used in here. In that sense, having separate bathrooms is also "gender discrimination". Are you against that as well?

In this context discrimination refers to a systemic tendency to undervalue a particular class of people for reasons unrelated to their ability to contribute. That is a situation worth reversing. Don't deliberately interpret words in the wrong context just to be a pedant.

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I'm assuming some HNers are soon to arrive saying things like "why does it matter that a founder is a female?", "why make an excluding event? isn't it sexism all the same", "imagine if someone make a 'male founders conference'?" I would like to ask you to think for a moment, before raising this concerns (I am not bothering here to debate with haters, only with those who are genuinely concerned that this might sexism…

Care to share your research data that this has to do with stigmatisation? And what exactly is "this field"? Field of those believing that the cause is stigmatisation? How about this assumption, which, I believe is also false?

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The reason for a Female Founders Conference is presumably that women are under-represented among founders. A quote from Paul Graham may explain why:

http://www.paulgraham.com/start.html "One advantage startups have over established companies is that there are no discrimination laws about starting businesses. For example, I would be reluctant to start a startup with a woman who had small children, or was likely to have them soon. But you're not allowed to ask prospective employees if they plan to have kids soon."

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> Our goal with this conference is to inspire women to start (or hang in there with!) a startup through the insights and experiences of those who have done it already. If you're a woman interested in learning more about startups, I encourage you to apply. How is that discriminatory? You can't argue that women are widely represented in entrepreneurship (heck, it's an even smaller percentage than in development.) Start…

It's discrimination by definition. Some may claim that certain kind of discrimination is positive (e.g. positive discrimination itself). I'm personally objected to all kinds of discrimination, "positive" or not.

I think you should revisit your definition of discrimination. Discrimination is treating someone unfavorably or with prejudice due to their gender. This event is for female founders and promoting them. There is nothing against men, against male founders, or the sex in general.

Just because something is for one subject does not mean it's against the opposite.

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I'm against these, because I'm against gender discrimination. Gender discrimination means that one gender is treated differently from another. It's also interesting to know whether transwomen will be allowed. Some radical feminists only accept 'born as women' to their conferences. And if transwomen are accepted, what's their definition of that.

Since you are against this conference in principle, I have a feeling you're only bringing up the trans issue to cause trouble.

But, you're right, it has been an issue at some conferences. So it's worth clarifying.

The Ada Initiative does not represent all women in tech, but they do help organizers with codes of conduct and other policies for female-friendly conferences. It might be good for jl and YC to consult with them. Their policies are inclusive: http://adainitiative.org/faq/#how-does-the-ada-initiative-de...

Re: Announcing the Female Founders Conference (March 1)

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Of the speakers of this event, Diane Greene spoke at Startup School this past year. Here's the video of her: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSEeFxq2X_c

Jessica Livingston gave a talk in 2012 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQJ6zsNCA-4), and interviewed Ron Conway in 2013 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bm-Xj2jMCk). I'm sure she's given other Startup School talks, but I can't find any right now.

They're good videos, whether or not you can go to this conference.

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