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OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on

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Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on

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Post by undoware »

logfromblammo wrote: post #361
davidgerard wrote: post #197

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I think if you ever use OpenSSH for anything whatsoever, you can put up with a grumpy Theo.

Especially since he is almost always technically correct--the best kind of correct. What OpenBSD foundation really needs is a tactful and charismatic person to act as firewall and pf between Theo and the people with overflowing bank accounts, who are more accustomed to dealing with obsequious salesdroids than a person who is not only ten times smarter than their entire golf group put together, but also so aware of it…

No, what OpenBSD needs is a broader FOSS community that doesn't turn every bump in the road into a referendum on bruised feelings from years ago, and recognizes its indebtedness. I type 'ssh' how many times a day?

Not that I don't understand those feelings. I've spent enough time lurking on openbsd-misc to have seen Theo and friends be beastly. But never without some provocation. And one might wish better impulse control on any number of online personalities.

(And if you find this rude, note that I'm not involved with OpenBSD -- not even on the mailing list anymore -- so blame me, not 'the OpenBSD community'.)

Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on

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Post by teddyh »

reeses wrote: post #386
bashinator wrote: post #272

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I thought most (if not all) gigabit Ethernet implementations auto-detect host-to-host connections and handle the crossover for you.

They all do now, but it's still an optional element of the standard.

It was optional in 100Mbit. In gigabit, it is mandatory.

Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on

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Post by morb »

wfraser wrote: post #341
chrissmithuk wrote: post #259

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This fundamentally goes against the Unix philosophy though which is to provide small well-defined parts from which you can construct a complete solution from. If you need a complex manual for a complex program, something is wrong.

"GNU's Not Unix."

What does this even mean? The name GNU itself is a joke.

I mean, the project wants to create an operating system that looks like UNIX, acts like UNIX, smells like UNIX, but from scratch with appropriate license that allows usage and access to source to anyone - so that the project doesn't get into legal trouble from whoever actually owns UNIX?

So drunk Stallman in 1981 says: "hik, let's call this, hik operhikating system GNU, hik, because it's not UNIX hik, but it sure looks like one, hik, but it's not, hik, but it kinda is hik, but it's not theirs hik it's everyone's hik". That's how I like to imagine it happened.

Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on

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Post by Sssnake »

pjmlp wrote: post #329
ygra wrote: post #318

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Makes me wonder, though. There are plenty of fairly large commercial offerings based on those systems. The corporations using them (e.g. Sony, Apple) could probably easily afford a million in donations.

That is the wonders of the BSD license and others that follow the same principles, profit for free from the work of others without giving anything back.

Wow, GPL zealots sure are direct with their dishonesty these days.

Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on

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Post by reeses »

teddyh wrote: post #402
reeses wrote: post #386

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They all do now, but it's still an optional element of the standard.

It was optional in 100Mbit. In gigabit, it is mandatory .

"Automatic MDI/MDI-X Configuration is intended to eliminate the need for crossover cables between simi-lar devices. Implementation of an automatic MDI/MDI-X configuration is optional for 1000BASE-T devices. The assignment of pin-outs for a 1000BASE-T crossover function cable is shown in Table 40-12 in 40.8."

Here's a link that does not require IEEEXplore access: http://www.scribd.com/doc/46141801/802-3ab-1999

Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on

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Post by msbarnett »

buster wrote: post #395
msbarnett wrote: post #368

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> That is the wonders of the BSD license and others that follow the same principles, profit for free from the work of others without giving anything back. Does any Open Source license require monetary donations from companies using the code? Sony and Apple and a lot of other companies using BSD licensed software DO give back -- in the form of code and employing developers to work the projects.

I'd be interested in a list of software that Apple and Sony contributed back to FreeBSD and that is in the ports, do you have such a list? It looks like that this is a very asymmetric relationship.

For Apple, there's quite a lot if you're willing to grovel through commits, but at the moment nothing is bigger than Clang/LLVM -- a large chunk of the core team is directly employed by Apple, and with FreeBSD 10 Clang is directly incorporated into the core system. Apple has, at various times, employed other FreeBSD core committers directly. They very quietly have done a lot to support the project.

Sony, IIRC, employed some Japanese committers who were working on ACPI at one point.

Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

PaulRobinson wrote: post #50

So let's deal with the elephant in the room: the OpenBSD project is run by complete and utter jerks. Not just Theo, but he has set the bar quite low when it comes to friendliness and tolerance of questions from younger/less experienced contributors. Linus' rants on the Linux kernel lists are almost cookie cutter copies of Theo's. There is "opinionated software" and then there is Theo being an intolerable, obnoxious,…

You're entitled to your view and I won't disagree with some of it ... but shady accounting practices? What are you alleging exactly?

Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

diestl wrote: post #147

I wonder if this is a case of OS Darwinism. The fact that it seems to be hanging on by a thread shows most companies are using and contributing to Linux. I have never used OpenBSD so not sure what it overs over Linux as a Unix implementation?

I think you are very misinformed here. There are many commercial *BSD users that do not give back. There is one famous one that think building campuses that looks like a UFO is pretty important.

Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on

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Post by teddyh »

reeses wrote: post #405
teddyh wrote: post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was optional in 100Mbit. In gigabit, it is mandatory .

"Automatic MDI/MDI-X Configuration is intended to eliminate the need for crossover cables between simi-lar devices. Implementation of an automatic MDI/MDI-X configuration is optional for 1000BASE-T devices. The assignment of pin-outs for a 1000BASE-T crossover function cable is shown in Table 40-12 in 40.8." Here's a link that does not require IEEEXplore access: http://www.scribd.com/doc/46141801/802-3ab-1999

I say, I stand corrected. I was sure I read the opposite somewhere, but I would not dream of contesting your reference.

Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on

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Post by jason_slack »

I used to use OpenBSD on my daily laptop about 8 years ago. Loved it. Worked for a University and we had a few OpenBSD Servers in my department for web serving, email, etc. No other departments did.

Why did I stop? Theo was such an ass about questions on "his" mailing lists that, well, there were friendlier communities out there.

OpenSSH, however, I use a lot so I could donate a few bucks for that.

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