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OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on

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Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on

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Are you perfectly sure that it will represent the same quality then?

If I had a choice between, say, donating $10 to OpenBSD of which only $2 goes towards OpenSSH development and letting Google take over OpenSSH, I'd take my chances with the latter. I don't see why Linux or OS X users should subsidize OpenBSD.

Well, Mac OS X's firewall is based on pf - OpenBSD's packet filter. So OSX users turn on firewall _are_ using OpenBSD's work.

http://www.opensource.apple.com/source/xnu/xnu-2422.1.72/bsd...

Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on

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As Bitcoin expands its adoption this will become less of an issue.

Maybe. Doing anything with bitcoin today is a giant pain in the ass. Which is easier? a) Typing in a credit card number + billing address. b) - Signing up for an account at a Bitcoin exchange. - Transferring money to them (by doing a?) - Waiting for them to exchange it. - Transferring it to the recipients' wallet (this one step is kinda-easy, I'll grant) - Hoping the price of bitcoin holds stable-ish so that my bitco…

Way to make an unfair comparison.

Replace a) with

- Fulfill an arbitrary number of legal requirements

- Sign up for an account at a bank

- Transfer money to the bank (by doing a?)

- Wait for the check/deposit to go through (hopefully neither you nor the bank fucked something up)

- Put it in your debit/credit account (this one step is kinda-easy, I'll grant)

The last thing about "Hoping the price holds stable" is irrelevant. The recipient can convert them immediately.

A fair comparison is the act of paying with your (funded) credit card versus paying with your (funded) Bitcoin wallet. I can say from experience that the Bitcoin wallet is significantly easier in a lot of cases (and also carries less of a risk of getting skimmed or having a payment database hacked or something).

Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on

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The AC instructions note made me smile. It reminded me of a post-it I left in the company lab with a diagram for how to do proper gigabit cross-overs. I could still find it there five years later after they rearranged the lab several times.

I thought most (if not all) gigabit Ethernet implementations auto-detect host-to-host connections and handle the crossover for you.

They all do now, but it's still an optional element of the standard.

Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on

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A somewhat related note about branding. My first "real" job was in the mid-90's; I was the first technical hire at a small Chicago ISP (EnterAct) that grew into a relatively large ISP (when I left, we were default-free peered to several tier-1 providers and had more POPs than I can name). It was great, and the team that started it --- two Big-5 accounting firm programmers --- was inspiring, particularly when it came…

I know OpenBSD's reputation is primarily security, but I use it for a different reason. It's simple, stable, and doesn't break. Back when I was in high school and I had a lot of free time and all that, the various incarnations of Linux were a delight. Even after that, I still went with it out of inertia and spent many evenings tweaking Gentoo. I eventually just goddamn gave up. I got sick of every upgrade breaking so…

"...and installing NetworkManager which screws up my network settings as soon as I plug in the Ethernet cable while I'm still on my wireless."

Any bug numbers? I'm not seeing that on Debian Wheezy or CentOS.

But I have just ordered a CD set to try this OpenBSD to see what all the fuss is about and to learn something.

Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on

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I suggest funding a solar power system, especially since the newer panels are even more efficient for a lower net cost-per-watt/kWH ratio.

Even on cloudy days the new panels will produce energy.

The panels are usually warranted to produce at least a certain (80% on mine) percentage for a set period of time. (25 years on my 5 + year old PV arrays) so the other considerations would be a charge controller/charger, a voltage inverter (from DC to AC) cabling and batteries for storage.

Of all the items, the batteries will be the main recurring expense as they generally don't last as long as the PV panels. Depending on type of battery, and how heavily cycled they are, batteries can last for 10 years, with proper care and use.

A system which maintains a constantly higher amperage will last longer than a system that has been allowed to be exceedingly discharged. (no less than 80% of capacity)

In my area electricity sells for $0.49USD per KWH ergo solar is the logical solution.

The end result is a self reliant system, independent of the issues associated with distributed power sources, while increasing responsibility for the consumer.

I find the cost/benefit ratio to be in favor of under-funded consumers, especially in the long term.

Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on

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I daresay any of their developers would quickly turn into dicks having to deal with that kind of public exposure.

And that's where disenfranchising non dev types is a real problem. Theo talks about pulling devs to make shirts and stickers and how that's a waste of time, but there are people out there that aren't kernel hackers that love to contribute to something bigger than themselves. No one's good at everything and the OpenBSD persona of being for and including only experts has made them a very lopsided organization with load…

"Being nice to stupid people is as much of a skill as hacking up some kernel code."

I'd rephrase that as 'finding simple tasks peripheral to the main effort that would allow non-expert people to contribute time to the project without detracting from the main work'.

Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on

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Off topic, bluekitten it seems you've been hellbanned and your message show as dead. Looking at your comment history, I can't imagine what triggered it, so if you see this it might be a good idea to send an email to pg.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6939835

A more useful answer: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7079380
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