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Re: Yale censored a student's course catalog site. I made an unblockable replacement

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An interesting and apparently well executed effort. But, to be honest, your arguments reek of ignorance. > This is an unfortunate outcome, since Yale’s copyright assertion muddles the argument that Yale’s actions violate Peter and Harry’s freedom of speech. No it doesn't. Whatever Yale's responsibilities in the freedom-of-speech realm may be, they are entirely ethical in nature, as freedom of speech in the legal sens…

possible context: from ggchappell's webpage regarding free speech while at a university:

https://www.cs.uaf.edu/~chappell/misc/freesp.html

i'm a bit busy atm so i haven't had a chance to review the short post but it could provide some insight into his opinion.

Re: Yale censored a student's course catalog site. I made an unblockable replacement

#122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" but your claim seems to be solely on the fact you can commit libel from what seems to be the USA on a website not hosted in the UK. " We're sidetracked, but that's pretty much the definition of libel tourism, and the UK is notorious for it: http://www.economist.com/node/12903058 The UK routinely finds libel judgements against non-Britons, outside of Britain, having essentially no connection with the UK. It's an ext…

Nitpick: You're talking about England and Wales, not the UK. In this part of the UK it's not even called "libel".

Thanks, didn't know this!

Re: Yale censored a student's course catalog site. I made an unblockable replacement

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post #36

An interesting and apparently well executed effort. But, to be honest, your arguments reek of ignorance. > This is an unfortunate outcome, since Yale’s copyright assertion muddles the argument that Yale’s actions violate Peter and Harry’s freedom of speech. No it doesn't. Whatever Yale's responsibilities in the freedom-of-speech realm may be, they are entirely ethical in nature, as freedom of speech in the legal sens…

Ignorance, egotism, entitlement, etc. "Hey reddit, watch me fight the (wo)man!!" Maybe you could have inquired about or offered to help Yale's tool/product? Nah, I'll just jack it and cry foul because my little mash-up thing gets turned off. It sure sounds like there is nearly a contractual obligation by Yale to provide data a certain way. Whatever agreement made this possible could get undermined. Then NO data will…

Just a little tip for posting on HN: try not to use any emotion in your arguments unless you are looking for downvotes.

Re: Yale censored a student's course catalog site. I made an unblockable replacement

#124
The Dean’s response is such a typical academia response. It showcases the hypocrisy of these institutions and the fiefdom of a bureaucrat.

Too many academic institutions claim they are all about learning and growing and leadership, until you do something they disapprove of in the slightest way, usually because it rocks their boat in the slightest way. We’ve seen how Stalin-esque they act when they don’t get their way, time and time again with varying degrees of force. From the UC Davis pepper spray incident to the MIT Aaron Swartz incident. This might not be on the same level (yet), but it’s the principle. A series of reasonable actions being met with disproportionate bullshit responses.

Teach them a lesson about learning, growing, and leadership. Don’t surrender and don’t give in. Do absolutely everything within the bounds of the law to fuck up their desired outcome on the principle of their actions. That’s what they are trying to do to you and the YBB+ devs. So take away all of their power and continue. Circumvent all of their censorship. You or some scholarship are paying far too much to this institution to have it behave like this.

Quite frankly, I’m surprised someone at Yale noticed and decided to make this an incident. Most universities are usually too distracted by the disproportionate effort they invest in their football or basketball teams over academic programs, or are too busy ensuring book publisher monopolies and price gouging, but those are problems for another day.

Re: Yale censored a student's course catalog site. I made an unblockable replacement

#125
post #19

Very cool, I love this approach as it is very similar to how my (now defunct) unedditreddit app worked and how a clever app called socialfixer for facebook works. Two thoughts. 1. You are not unblockable. My app was removed from the chrome app store after reddit complained, no review process, no appeals, good luck even communicating with google. Installing an app not from the appstore is almost impossible for a non-s…

> Installing an app not from the appstore is almost impossible for a non-savvy user. I would post a video demonstrating step-by-step how to install non-approved apps in Chrome. Download the app. Open chrome://extensions. Tick Developer mode. Drag the app from your Download folder to the extensions page. Enjoy those nicely summarized ratings! Actually, here are two existing videos on the subject: https://www.youtube.c…

Finding the instructions when you know what to look for is easy; the hard part is knowing that it's possible and to look for it at all

Re: Yale censored a student's course catalog site. I made an unblockable replacement

#126
post #19

Very cool, I love this approach as it is very similar to how my (now defunct) unedditreddit app worked and how a clever app called socialfixer for facebook works. Two thoughts. 1. You are not unblockable. My app was removed from the chrome app store after reddit complained, no review process, no appeals, good luck even communicating with google. Installing an app not from the appstore is almost impossible for a non-s…

> Installing an app not from the appstore is almost impossible for a non-savvy user. I would post a video demonstrating step-by-step how to install non-approved apps in Chrome. Download the app. Open chrome://extensions. Tick Developer mode. Drag the app from your Download folder to the extensions page. Enjoy those nicely summarized ratings! Actually, here are two existing videos on the subject: https://www.youtube.c…

Just be aware that your instructions may have to change soon; Google is slated to start blocking all local extensions unless users install the Dev or Canary channel builds on Windows [1].

[1] http://thenextweb.com/google/2013/11/07/google-block-local-c...

Re: Yale censored a student's course catalog site. I made an unblockable replacement

#127

An interesting and apparently well executed effort. But, to be honest, your arguments reek of ignorance. > This is an unfortunate outcome, since Yale’s copyright assertion muddles the argument that Yale’s actions violate Peter and Harry’s freedom of speech. No it doesn't. Whatever Yale's responsibilities in the freedom-of-speech realm may be, they are entirely ethical in nature, as freedom of speech in the legal sens…

This is an unfortunate outcome, since Yale’s copyright assertion muddles the argument that Yale’s actions violate Peter and Harry’s freedom of speech.

Agreed. Very muddled thinking, indeed.

Re: Yale censored a student's course catalog site. I made an unblockable replacement

#128
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not that black and white though. So many comments are are deleted by moderators for baloney reasons. Moderators have become the new digg power users and they are really hurting reddit. See the recent standupshots controversy. What about highly upvoted/downvoted comments that are then edited to reverse or change the sentiment. Other conversation participants have no right to see the original context? To be fair…

> What about highly upvoted/downvoted comments that are then edited to reverse or change the sentiment. This is why it pays to quote context in Internet discussions.

> I am a monkey

As a side note, it would be really useful if there was some way of quoting context that didn't trivially lend itself to forging context... (though admittedly that's a much smaller problem).

Re: Yale censored a student's course catalog site. I made an unblockable replacement

#129
post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sunk costs are sunk. Unless the marginal utility of that piece of paper is worth compromising your ideals and dropping another $20k in tuition, the sensible thing to do would be to drop out. Given that he's already got the brand, the majority of the education, and the network of going to Yale, I'm not sure it is.

If you don't graduate you don't have the brand. He might be able to establish an independent brand with his plugin, but that is certainly more risky. I generally don't think the Ivy league tuition compared to the differential of quality state schools is worth it when you are starting out, but in this particular instance the differential between a Yale degree and any other degree would probably be less than having to…

>"If you don't graduate you don't have the brand. He might be able to establish an independent brand with his plugin, but that is certainly more risky."

>"A BS is a filter that you'll find for lots of jobs (or graduate school); and although there are places that will hire you, it makes things harder than they would have been otherwise."

I would disagree with both statements.

Part of the value (really, most of the value) of attending these schools is the network that you build while there. And yes, he can always write on his resume that he attended Yale from "Sept 2009-January 2013" (if he were to drop out). I attended a top university and dropped out my last semester to pursue tech related endeavors. I have reaped enormous benefits from this decision.

Once you are accepted to a top university, 90% of the "brand"-ing is complete. If you are resourceful (as this young man clearly is), the rest will take care of itself.

With regards to your second comment, the idea of a "BS as a filter" is losing credibility at an exponential rate. It might seem counter intuitive, but a top tech employer would take a second look at a Yale dropout who wrote a popular plug-in. A majority of applicants at these firms already come from the best schools in the country. On it's own, even an ivy-league degree isn't as great of a filter as you might think. (Note: This applies to jobs with the highest concentration of ivy-league applicants)

Re: Yale censored a student's course catalog site. I made an unblockable replacement

#130
"If Yale censors this piece of software or punishes the software developer, it would clearly characterize Yale as an institution where having authority over students trumps freedom of speech."

I'm inclined to say that events in the last decade or so have made it more clear that pretty much all educational institutions everywhere have always been about making sure their authority over students trumps freedom of speech. Or rather, freedom of speech is only allowed on things that the administration approves of.

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