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Re: Ukrainian Protesters Hold Up Mirrors to Police

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Unfortunately public protests are soon going to become illegal in Ukraine as the president have just signed a set of laws the basically turns the country into police state [1] [2] [1] http://citizenjournal.info/?id=14710 [2] http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/welcome-to-little-russ...

Nah, it's a privilege not a right. /sarc

Driving a car is a right.

Re: Ukrainian Protesters Hold Up Mirrors to Police

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post #15

Unfortunately public protests are soon going to become illegal in Ukraine as the president have just signed a set of laws the basically turns the country into police state [1] [2] [1] http://citizenjournal.info/?id=14710 [2] http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/welcome-to-little-russ...

I guess the "Orange Revolution" didn't work out in the long run.

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post #15

Unfortunately public protests are soon going to become illegal in Ukraine as the president have just signed a set of laws the basically turns the country into police state [1] [2] [1] http://citizenjournal.info/?id=14710 [2] http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/welcome-to-little-russ...

I guess the "Orange Revolution" didn't work out in the long run.

Not really. The 'heroes' of the Orange Revolution turned against each other (see Yushchenko vs Tymoshenko drama) , raided the country's coffers, ruined its economy, and lost badly in the most recent elections.

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Not sure why you were downvoted. The hippies and love-children and down-with-the-man types of the 60s and 70s have been in power for the last quarter century. They have shaped the world as they collectively see fit, and it's not that different from the one they protested against.

The hippies and love-children and down-with-the-man types of the 60s and 70s have been in power for the last quarter century. In the Ukraine? Are you completely mental?

There is no "the" in Ukraine.

Re: Ukrainian Protesters Hold Up Mirrors to Police

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Exactly. I'm grateful that I don't get downvoted for the comment btw. But sorry, this lacks any news or intellectual value whatsoever. Now if a study would emerge that mirrors as a reflective tool are a proven deterrent of riot police, this would incite some nice debates about the human psyche. I don't want to listen to some guy with dirty undies hanging on his bedpost talking about the "evil black riot police" and h…

a study would emerge that mirrors as a reflective tool are a proven deterrent of riot police That seems to be a rather high bar to set for a rather poetic act. I take it you also do not trust parachutes. As with many interventions intended to prevent ill health, the effectiveness of parachutes has not been subjected to rigorous evaluation by using randomised controlled trials. Advocates of evidence based medicine hav…

Thanks, that was hilarious! Tough cookie trying to get volunteers with a placebo group. That might be the deal cutter..

Re: Ukrainian Protesters Hold Up Mirrors to Police

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One thing to keep in mind about Ukraine, is that over half the country speaks Russian, and are very firmly pro-Russian.

Furthermore, the current government was democratically elected (there were even western observers who confirmed the fairness of the most recent elections), after years of in-fighting amongst the 'Orange Revolution' crowd.

The protests also happen to be timed ahead of elections, no doubt in part because the pro-West factions were so divided they really had no chance against the Party of Regions (which enjoys widespread support in the eastern parts of the country).

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hippies and love-children and down-with-the-man types of the 60s and 70s have been in power for the last quarter century. In the Ukraine? Are you completely mental?

There is no "the" in Ukraine.

There used to be. I didn't realise till I just looked it up ( http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/ukraine.html ) that they had officially dropped the 'the' after 1990, I thought either was correct.

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I like the idea, there's a lot of thought provocation in it. Having said that, I don't like how the article belittles the riot police force. Aren't the older generation (grandma) at least partly responsible for the state in which their kids (riot police) are in? It's not like these 'thugs' were created in a vacuum and that these 'grandma's' are helpless. They were young, and they made decisions...more likely to have…

this is a very stupid comment, i made an account just so i could reply, first of all poland was never the same as ukraine under soviet rule. Poland enjoyed much more freedom and much more livelier political culture that was ever allowed in ukraine. secondly, i cannot believe someone from an ex soviet country could say that grandmas helped shaped the country in which they find their children in, i would like to know of your experiences in poland but in ukraine the only thing you shaped was how much alcohol you would be drinking during the day. third, the riot police in ukraine is not what you might think of as "innocent" police protecting the state, they protests ignited after the riot police descended on peaceful students and killed several of them including a pregnant girl. lastly and sadly that this is not covered more by western media, these are extremely peaceful protests, where peaceful protesters round up provacateurs and hold them up against the walls of buildings not letting them provoke police. My source? being in the streets. very stupid and offending comment.

Re: Ukrainian Protesters Hold Up Mirrors to Police

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hippies and love-children and down-with-the-man types of the 60s and 70s have been in power for the last quarter century. In the Ukraine? Are you completely mental?

There is no "the" in Ukraine.

While this is true, the word 'Ukraine' comes from a Slavic word for 'border' or 'region', so using 'the' in front of it makes sense when you consider the original meaning of the name and how English is spoken. All my Canadian-Ukrainian relatives say 'the Ukraine', even though as the proper name of a country you should just say 'Ukraine'.

Re: Ukrainian Protesters Hold Up Mirrors to Police

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why you were downvoted. The hippies and love-children and down-with-the-man types of the 60s and 70s have been in power for the last quarter century. They have shaped the world as they collectively see fit, and it's not that different from the one they protested against.

The hippies and love-children and down-with-the-man types of the 60s and 70s have been in power for the last quarter century. In the Ukraine? Are you completely mental?

Worldwide.

There are certainly plenty of examples here in the U.S.

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