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4K is for programmers

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Re: 4K is for programmers

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Post by djur »

jheriko wrote: post #231
knightni wrote: post #174

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An extremely large number of programmers use Mac and Linux machines. Linux on the desktop is sustained to a substantial extent by a programmer audience - and you only have to look at the availability of software for it to see that it's popular among that group. Personally, when I'm not using a unix-y environment, it's because I've been forced. Using windows as a programmer feels like having one of my hands chopped of…

sure it is a large number, but large != most. every programmer i know works in a windows dominated environment. this is a small sample though. i believe that in back-end only environments linux has some serious popularity but i can't comment on how many studios use it as their development platform because i have no great experience there (actually i work in office where they develop such things, but they use windows…

Every web frontend dev I've ever worked with used a Mac.

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Post by aidenn0 »

chx wrote: post #81
oakwhiz wrote: post #42

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I believe IBM produced a high resolution monitor which was a single panel, but acted as if it were 4 smaller displays, complete with 4 separate display input cables. Something similar could technically be done to re-use lower-res, but higher-speed existing display controller parts on 4K panels.

Two special display input cables (DMS-59). IBM T221. I have one. It's... hard. The max I could drive it was on 25Hz -- two 1920x2400@25Hz panes besides each other. Watching a movie on it was a weird experience so I set it aside. If someone has 4 DVI outputs, you could drive it surely at 41Hz which would make a huge difference ( the monitor is up for sale :) ).

Speed your movie up from 24fps to 25fps; it should make a huge difference.

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Post by chinpokomon »

MetaCosm wrote: post #248
jotm wrote: post #247

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Admittedly 30 Hz sucks and the colors are not up to par with an IPS panel, but overall the Seiki offer a great deal for the price. The brightness is great (only terrible if you like it really low ), the 112 pixel density is higher than on 2x23 inch monitors, for example; The colors can be calibrated from within the OS so it's not as much of an issue; And as the black levels - if you found them horrible, it may be bec…

30 Hz is awful. The brightness problem is blow out and bleed. It is "very bright" it is so bright that when doing any sort of calibration the whites bleed on everything. The contrast ratio is good due to the excessive brightness, which means the blacks still suck. Horrible highlights and horrible shadows. The calibration you can do in the OS is limited, as I said, I have two different sets of hardware equipment for c…

For a workstation, how is 30Hz refresh a problem? I could understand that wouldn't be ideal for gaming, but if your daily use is that if reading static text that doesn't move around, is it really a problem. If this were a CRT, I'd agree with you, but as an LCD panel, I don't understand why the lower refresh rate is a problem. It isn't as though the screen will flicker.

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Post by tlb »

chinpokomon wrote: post #303
MetaCosm wrote: post #248

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30 Hz is awful. The brightness problem is blow out and bleed. It is "very bright" it is so bright that when doing any sort of calibration the whites bleed on everything. The contrast ratio is good due to the excessive brightness, which means the blacks still suck. Horrible highlights and horrible shadows. The calibration you can do in the OS is limited, as I said, I have two different sets of hardware equipment for c…

For a workstation, how is 30Hz refresh a problem? I could understand that wouldn't be ideal for gaming, but if your daily use is that if reading static text that doesn't move around, is it really a problem. If this were a CRT, I'd agree with you, but as an LCD panel, I don't understand why the lower refresh rate is a problem. It isn't as though the screen will flicker.

It increases the latency for displaying the mouse pointer, so you may find it harder to quickly and accurately move your mouse.

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Post by fdkz »

lesserknowndan wrote: post #290
fdkz wrote: post #276

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Yes, there is. I have side-by-side 60Hz and 120Hz monitors, and window dragging for example on the 120Hz one is much much smoother (I had to buy a gaming mouse, because most normal mice won't update at more than 100Hz I think). And movies don't have this jerky motion where 60Hz doesn't quite exactly divide with 24 fps that movies use.

Well, in my day, when you moved a window all the computer showed was a grey square - no fps issues there. Sorry, had to say it.

I started with zx-spectrum and was also very happy with whatever was there :) But baby steps towards moving pictures that are indistinguishable from reality.. Eh, I'm just very picky. Ever noticed that the top side of a moving window moves before the bottom side on most LCD displays?

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Post by fredsted »

chrisrhoden wrote: post #252
MetaCosm wrote: post #250

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... Everywhere? There are literally 41 under $500 at 2560x1440 or 2560x1600 on Newegg right now. The QNIX was already linked in this thread by someone else ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2RY0X598... )

I was looking for your opinions on some great options, not trying to pick a fight.

How is that "trying to pick a fight"?

Re: 4K is for programmers

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Post by fredsted »

Sambdala wrote: post #167
espeed wrote: post #109

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Jakob Nielsen's research on "ideal size" is 48Kx32K (1200 dpi) @ 1200 fps for perfect image quality. See http://www.nngroup.com/articles/how-much-bandwidth-is-enough... His 2012 recommendation was 30" or larger screens for knowledge workers ( http://www.nngroup.com/articles/computer-screens-getting-big... ).

"A 48Kx32K pixel monitor with 24-bit-per-pixel color needs 4.6 GB videoRAM, so it will probably be about seventeen years (2012) before these perfect monitors are commonplace."

We probably would've had them now if display tech didn't stop progressing in 1999....

Re: 4K is for programmers

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Post by fredsted »

chinpokomon wrote: post #303
MetaCosm wrote: post #248

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30 Hz is awful. The brightness problem is blow out and bleed. It is "very bright" it is so bright that when doing any sort of calibration the whites bleed on everything. The contrast ratio is good due to the excessive brightness, which means the blacks still suck. Horrible highlights and horrible shadows. The calibration you can do in the OS is limited, as I said, I have two different sets of hardware equipment for c…

For a workstation, how is 30Hz refresh a problem? I could understand that wouldn't be ideal for gaming, but if your daily use is that if reading static text that doesn't move around, is it really a problem. If this were a CRT, I'd agree with you, but as an LCD panel, I don't understand why the lower refresh rate is a problem. It isn't as though the screen will flicker.

Go try it now. Connect your laptop to your tv, set the refresh rate to 30hz. Your mouse will become extremely "laggy" (e.g. unresponsive), all 60fps animations like dragging windows around, scrolling will become stuttered, etc.

Just the productivity decrease alone makes this monitor extremely expensive in the end, despite its price.

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Post by Joeri »

sixothree wrote: post #257
Joeri wrote: post #255

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I'm currently doing my hobby programming projects on a 10 inch screen (asus t100), and have set up my flow so that i don't need a bigger screen. I used to have a three monitor setup, but at some point realized that all that real estate was preventing me to focus. Now i only want one window on screen at a time. Alt+tab is my extra screen real estate. My usual screen is 22 inches and that's about the maximum size for p…

You must not work from lengthy spec documents that often.

I write lengthy spec documents on that 22 inch screen ;)

I use a logitech m500 with the inertial scrollwheel, so scrolling through long documents is easy. Also, word's navigation pane makes it easy to jump from point to point. The 22 inch screen is just large enough to see the full page width and the nav pane side by side.

When implementing long spec documents, i print them out and mark off the parts i've completed. There would be no added value from having a second screen where i do that digitally for me personally. (I did try it once.)

Re: 4K is for programmers

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Post by erikig »

2gg2rg wrote: post #284

Would I get the full resolution using the DisplayPort out on my laptop and a cable to convert that to the HDMI on the TV?

I have been using the Seiki 39" for about 4 months now and I agree with a lot of what @bhauer has to say.

There are a couple of things as a developer. 1. You end up developing really long lines of code that might upset other developers 2. I'm on my second Seiki, my first one died and it took 1 mo. to receive a replacement.

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