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Calorie restrictive eating for longer life? The story we didn’t hear in the news

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could have links to their diet Replace that with could have been caused by aliens to see how ridiculous that sort of claim is. There is no reason to suppose that dying under anesthesia is related to the diet. Also your analogy doesn't make any sense. Perhaps if they removed bikers that died in traffic accidents while not riding a bike . And then you could argue 'bikers behave differently in traffic, so perhaps biking…

I haven't read the studies. Still, why isn't it reasonable to think that a monkey that eats too little will die more readily under stress? You can remove clearly unrelated causes (e.g. monkeys run over by bicyclists), but it's not nearly so clear for anesthesia.

Define 'stress', especially for these animals. Wouldn't you think that living in a laboratory cage is 'stressful'? If that's the daily baseline, I can't see how 'stress' can be a catchall explanation for even borderline cases. Administering anesthesia is a form of surgery. Even if they're related, would you want to say that death during surgery is a form of aging?

More importantly, deaths are just one of the variables being measured. The diet seems to improve quality of life, not just raw quantity. That's reason enough to be interested in these findings.

Furthermore, the author of this blog seems to doubt the role of Science in publishing these findings. The money they make has no bearing on the results. Other scientists, doing closely related work, reviewed the work in excruciating detail (read the footnotes, not the press releases) and found its clear scientific value. Sure, blame the media for the headlines. But the work, as a status report on the field, is very encouraging.

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Summary: junk science reported by junk press.

You really think a blog post is enough to justify this conclusion?

Here, read the journal article: http://www.scribd.com/doc/17316946/Caloric-Restriction-Delay...

Please tell me how it's junk science.

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I take issue with much of what was said in this article. Many, if not all of the examples the author refers to are explicit in there statements and not being vague. Additionally, the results of the studies are available for review and carefully explain the reasons why some deaths were not inluded in the results. The author is picking apart chosen pieces of text and apparently has not read the actual study results.

Agreed. I stopped reading when the author got into a snit because "Control animals were fed 20% more than their average daily intake". It seems clear from context that that was to allow the animals to eat as much as they wanted, the animals were not force-fed 20% more. They're given extra food in case they feel extra hungry that day. It's standard in caloric restriction experiments to feed one group of animals ad libitum, and the other group, some fraction of the ad libitum rate. The effect of caloric restriction on life span has been known for decades, well before it penetrated the mainstream consciousness, and has been described for many different species under many different experimental regimes. It's a robust effect, and a mysterious one.

This article smacks of 9/11 truther, anti-evolution froth. The author has an agenda and she'll pound on her podium until she bludgeons us into agreement that all science infrastructure is corrupt and nothing we read could possibly be true.

Admittedly, there's a lot of junk science out there, and the authors of this study could have waited another 10 years before reporting any results. But put yourself in their shoes: you're starting to see an effect. Every time you go to a conference, people say, "So, how's that multidecade experiment of yours going?" So why not report what you see, and publish another paper in 10 years? It doesn't have to be a conspiracy. Really.

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I've heard a talk recently by a guy who works with scientists who do calorie restriction experiments.

What he said is an eye-opener. The animals look healthier but they don't live longer. They don't seem to die of age, but they do just drop dead one day, not always from any obvious cause at all - although they seem particularly susceptible to infections.

His hypothesis was that calorie restriction works by forcing the body on such low resources it has to cannibalize itself, which has the advantage it cleans up age-related crud much more effectively - and the disadvantage that there is absolutely no slack in the system. Every problem is a crisis.

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I take issue with much of what was said in this article. Many, if not all of the examples the author refers to are explicit in there statements and not being vague. Additionally, the results of the studies are available for review and carefully explain the reasons why some deaths were not inluded in the results. The author is picking apart chosen pieces of text and apparently has not read the actual study results.

Agreed. I stopped reading when the author got into a snit because "Control animals were fed 20% more than their average daily intake". It seems clear from context that that was to allow the animals to eat as much as they wanted, the animals were not force-fed 20% more. They're given extra food in case they feel extra hungry that day. It's standard in caloric restriction experiments to feed one group of animals ad lib…

The problem is that in ten years there will still be many unanswered questions. Science is a series of progress reports. They chose to publish and their peers agreed that the work was publishable.

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One of the few negative things about the growth of the internet is how much people rely on it for health information. Sometimes I think they'd be better off flipping a coin.

You can get a lot of flaky diet fads from women's magazines, too.

Re: Calorie restrictive eating for longer life? The story we didn’t hear in the news

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I've heard a talk recently by a guy who works with scientists who do calorie restriction experiments. What he said is an eye-opener. The animals look healthier but they don't live longer. They don't seem to die of age, but they do just drop dead one day, not always from any obvious cause at all - although they seem particularly susceptible to infections. His hypothesis was that calorie restriction works by forcing th…

Slack and crud?
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