Calorie restrictive eating for longer life? The story we didn’t hear in the news
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Calorie restrictive eating for longer life? The story we didn’t hear in the news
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Re: Calorie restrictive eating for longer life? The story we didn’t hear in the news
#2Basically, rhesus monkeys on a restricted calorie diet only lived longer if you remove "non-aging related deaths".
But some of those deaths (eg, dying under anesthesia during a blood test) could have links to their diet, so removing them is just withdrawing non-supporting evidence to prove your (pharma-funded) hypothesis.
In other news, riding your bike to work is considered safer than driving a car ... once we remove those cases of bike-riders killed in car collisions.
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#3Summary: junk science reported by junk press.
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#5I take issue with much of what was said in this article. Many, if not all of the examples the author refers to are explicit in there statements and not being vague. Additionally, the results of the studies are available for review and carefully explain the reasons why some deaths were not inluded in the results.
The author is picking apart chosen pieces of text and apparently has not read the actual study results.
Re: Calorie restrictive eating for longer life? The story we didn’t hear in the news
#6Basically, rhesus monkeys on a restricted calorie diet only lived longer if you remove "non-aging related deaths" . But some of those deaths (eg, dying under anesthesia during a blood test) could have links to their diet, so removing them is just withdrawing non-supporting evidence to prove your (pharma-funded) hypothesis. In other news, riding your bike to work is considered safer than driving a car ... once we remo…
could have links to their diet
Replace that with could have been caused by aliens to see how ridiculous that sort of claim is. There is no reason to suppose that dying under anesthesia is related to the diet.
Also your analogy doesn't make any sense. Perhaps if they removed bikers that died in traffic accidents while not riding a bike. And then you could argue 'bikers behave differently in traffic, so perhaps biking was the cause'... yeah, and perhaps we should also take the phase of the moon into account, just to be sure...
Re: Calorie restrictive eating for longer life? The story we didn’t hear in the news
#7There was a recent study online, about how moderately overweight people have a slightly lower mortality rate than those with "normal" weight. The problems are with the morbidly obese end of the spectrum.
I can't find the study (anyone recall it?), but it seems compatible with the implication of this submission, that while being overweight might increase "age-related" deaths, it protects you against the others.
Re: Calorie restrictive eating for longer life? The story we didn’t hear in the news
#8Basically, rhesus monkeys on a restricted calorie diet only lived longer if you remove "non-aging related deaths" . But some of those deaths (eg, dying under anesthesia during a blood test) could have links to their diet, so removing them is just withdrawing non-supporting evidence to prove your (pharma-funded) hypothesis. In other news, riding your bike to work is considered safer than driving a car ... once we remo…
could have links to their diet Replace that with could have been caused by aliens to see how ridiculous that sort of claim is. There is no reason to suppose that dying under anesthesia is related to the diet. Also your analogy doesn't make any sense. Perhaps if they removed bikers that died in traffic accidents while not riding a bike . And then you could argue 'bikers behave differently in traffic, so perhaps biking…
I haven't read the studies. Still, why isn't it reasonable to think that a monkey that eats too little will die more readily under stress? You can remove clearly unrelated causes (e.g. monkeys run over by bicyclists), but it's not nearly so clear for anesthesia.
Re: Calorie restrictive eating for longer life? The story we didn’t hear in the news
#9Basically, rhesus monkeys on a restricted calorie diet only lived longer if you remove "non-aging related deaths" . But some of those deaths (eg, dying under anesthesia during a blood test) could have links to their diet, so removing them is just withdrawing non-supporting evidence to prove your (pharma-funded) hypothesis. In other news, riding your bike to work is considered safer than driving a car ... once we remo…
could have links to their diet Replace that with could have been caused by aliens to see how ridiculous that sort of claim is. There is no reason to suppose that dying under anesthesia is related to the diet. Also your analogy doesn't make any sense. Perhaps if they removed bikers that died in traffic accidents while not riding a bike . And then you could argue 'bikers behave differently in traffic, so perhaps biking…
There is no reason to suppose that dying under anesthesia is related to the diet.
Anemia?
Wonder if they could've run another test group with a diet halfway between the control and the calorie restricted group.
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#10The article in Science concludes with this:
"Weindruch and his collaborators plan to continue monitoring the remaining monkeys, which could stretch the study's length past 3 decades. "If we reach the 40-year-old life span, the study could continue for another 15 years," Weindruch said."
The NY Times article says:
“Ultimately the results seem pretty inconclusive at this point,” Dr. Austad said. “I don’t know why they didn’t wait longer to publish.”
So, I think it is too early to draw any conclusions about longevity. Though, it does seem prudent to note the reduced rate of diabetes, cancer, and heart/brain disease in monkeys with reduced caloric intake.