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How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Re: How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Post by huckleberryfinn »

bch wrote: post #44
001sky wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Anyone can put a urinal on the wall and call it art" I'm not sure this is too far from the point of duschamp's piece, which is that you can "put anything on a pedastal" and the "sign it", and as long as it's done by someone with a certain "aura", such an act becomes transformative. The "wall" and the "pedastal" need not be taken literally, IMHO. There is a whole "deconstruct the art gallery" theme that followed. Thi…

If I recall correctly Andy Warhol used to do exactly this (sign everyday items, including urinals). He called it "ready made art." I want to say "see also: Banksy", but I don't know if that idea is completely thought out.

On a relatively similar note, some critics have argued that some of Warhol's work implies that there is no such thing as art anymore.

see: http://nplusonemag.com/the-miraculousness-of-the-commonplace

Re: How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Post by sanoli »

001sky wrote: post #52
bch wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I recall correctly Andy Warhol used to do exactly this (sign everyday items, including urinals). He called it "ready made art." I want to say "see also: Banksy", but I don't know if that idea is completely thought out.

I want to say "see also: Banksy", but I don't know if that idea is completely thought out. Ha ha. Here's a quick roadmap =D Junk on a pedastal >Duchamp white cube > makes junk look good mass produced junk (for the white cube) > Warhol [0,1] who needs a gallery? just pile junk outside > richard long [2,3] who needs order?... junk-just-piled...in-a-gallery > Various [4,4.5] Someone elses junk/pile, already outside?> Ba…

Modern Art = "I could have done that" + "Yeah, but you didn't."

Re: How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Post by mynameishere »

I'm pretty amazed by how accepted sampling is. You can cherry pick examples of uses and alterations of original works that are made...better, or at least distinct or unrecognizable. But that's rarely the case. What you usually get are unholy abominations:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcMfl3UGhOY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwIGZLjugKA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oROoI-bYgGQ

...I guess it's partly ignorance on the part of the listeners, who don't know the originals, and don't realize how wretchedly they are being used.

Re: How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Post by rasur »

louthy wrote: post #50
rasur wrote: post #39

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IIRC, the Prodigy's Liam claimed to have written one album in bed using Propellorheads' Reason (then moved to the studio to finish off in pro-tools). I know I've done stuff just point and click on the train home from work in both ableton live and Reason. It's not quite as fluid as having a real keyboard (or other instruments around), but it is completely doable.

It's perfectly doable to create good sample based tracks in Reason. But you couldn't finish and master something of the standard of a Prodigy track on that alone. I once saw Liam walking along the street of Sarm studios around the time that 'Always outnumbered never outgunned' must have been in production: http://www.sarmstudios.com/ - I assume he came out of there. It's a touch more advanced setup than Reason ;) Alt…

I have a feeling it was actually 'Invaders...' he was talking about when he made that claim.

Re: How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Post by deevus »

rasur wrote: post #39
JonnieCache wrote: post #5

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That one is a lot more enlightening as to the creative process for this kind of music. (Of course the prodigy didn't do it like that, all point and click. There would have been a lot more twiddling of knobs and generally wigging out with actual hardware.)

IIRC, the Prodigy's Liam claimed to have written one album in bed using Propellorheads' Reason (then moved to the studio to finish off in pro-tools). I know I've done stuff just point and click on the train home from work in both ableton live and Reason. It's not quite as fluid as having a real keyboard (or other instruments around), but it is completely doable.

This is not on the same level as Prodigy, but a great Australian electronic artist Flume [0] creates his music by "playing a Mac" [1]

[0]: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flume_(musician) [1]: http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/drive/flume-q26...

Re: How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Post by sthatipamala »

WiseWeasel wrote: post #57
KC8ZKF wrote: post #51

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Rude?

Yes, surprisingly, using an acronym like "The Fucking Article" might be construed as rude in certain circles.

TFA often means "the full article", even though the more rude sense is more common elsewhere.

Re: How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

schrijver wrote: post #24
wikiburner wrote: post #16

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For non-commercial use, can an artist sample without legal threat? For example, if an artist is just posting 80s style tracks with dozens of uncleared samples on their website free for their fans to download, doesn't fair use allow for it?

This depends on the jurisdiction also. The concept of ‘Fair use’ does not exist in European copyright law, which makes any sampling without permission a potential copyright infringement.

The test for infringement in Europe requires that a "substantial" part be copied however.

Such samples [as in the OP video] IMO aren't substantial but I think the contrary point can be argued well as "if it's not substantial why copy it / it must be substantial to warrant reuse (with or without modification)"?

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