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Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#101

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Many people would kill to have a site with millions and millions of uniques. If monetization HAD to be the primary focus, they could make money. Growth and product is the top priority. Unfortunately for them one of those is suffering right now.

A site with millions of uniques doesn't = revenue. Nor does it equal success, interest from investors, etc. Source: running a ~2m unique site right now.

What kind of revenue are we talking about? A few ads on each page can bring in a few grand or more a month. I'm not sure this is rapGenius's end-game though.

Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#102

Ok, how can Rap Genius recover from this? They're one of the best (and least shady) lyrics sites on the net. They acted immorally, yes, but is justifiable to summarily execute their company? Google has a domineering position in the market, and it's a bit ironic that people were quick to call for Microsoft to be split into multiple companies about a decade ago, yet nobody bats an eye when Google exercises their power.…

It's just a matter of how do you quantify a crime against the almighty Google? I understand that Google have rules and regulations in place to protect themselves and consumers from these "online black hat thugs" but even the justice system have standard jail time for certain crimes. Now maybe there is a "standard jail sentence" in the Google justice system for voliating the rules, but what if there is not one? Do we allow Google to impose a death sentence for whatever they see fit?

Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#103

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the act of being evil. Let's get some perspective here. They were offering to promote people's pages in return for them linking back to them. Far from being evil, this isn't even illegal .

So? Only one thing matters: They broke the TOS and Google rightfully enforced it.

Well, technically they didn't break the TOS, because you don't sign a TOS to get listed on Google. :-)

Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#104

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Many people would kill to have a site with millions and millions of uniques. If monetization HAD to be the primary focus, they could make money. Growth and product is the top priority. Unfortunately for them one of those is suffering right now.

A site with millions of uniques doesn't = revenue. Nor does it equal success, interest from investors, etc. Source: running a ~2m unique site right now.

I'm not trying to equate traffic to success or future income. But the original comment was snarky and implied that Rapgenius doesn't make money so there's no financial loss. This loss of traffic will hurt the future monetization of the site and its products.

Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#105

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So? Only one thing matters: They broke the TOS and Google rightfully enforced it.

Well, technically they didn't break the TOS, because you don't sign a TOS to get listed on Google. :-)

Well, technically since they didn't sign up for getting listed on Google they shouldn't complain about getting delisted. :-)

Also, they could have submitted their site to Google.

Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#106
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Quite a few reasons: http://portableapps.com/about/what_is_a_portable_app#whypaf

There are sound arguments towards it. But Better Upgrading scares me.

It shouldn't :) Back with Firefox 1.x I think, we were using ZIP files and always supported unzip over the old one. But we ran into a situation where if a file was there from the previous version, it would remain since the new version no longer had that file. Oddly, the new version would try to use the old file and crash. That was back when I was only doing Firefox and Thunderbird, I think. As we added in apps like OpenOffice and GIMP it became much more of an issue.

So, we have the PA.c Installer able to take directives like whether or not to preserve everything in App, whether to preserve or remove specific files, whether to preserver or remove specific directories, etc. In addition to overwriting the existing files with the new ones, of course. This made life a lot easier on everyone. And users didn't need to worry about manually deleting specific directories but keeping others when updating. You just point the new version to the same X:\PortableApps\AppNamePortable directory and it intelligently upgrades. It even supports custom code for things that fall outside those simple keep/preserve so we can specifically remove certain settings on an upgrade where a given app breaks its own settings and doesn't support the old ones, etc.

For example, I just wrote the package for FreeCommander XE Portable for the publisher to release. The new one doesn't support the old settings and will break if they remain, so I have the installer back them up within Data (just in case the user wants to revert manually later). I then had it read the preferred language from the old settings and write them into the new ones for the user for convenience. I could get more explicit and read/write other settings as well if I had the time.

Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#107

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A site with millions of uniques doesn't = revenue. Nor does it equal success, interest from investors, etc. Source: running a ~2m unique site right now.

What kind of revenue are we talking about? A few ads on each page can bring in a few grand or more a month. I'm not sure this is rapGenius's end-game though.

A few ads via AdSense brings in less revenue than you think it does.

Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#108

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That puts them at PR0, too.

PR0 would be far better than what they have now. I think they consider it a negative 0 or maybe a negative 1. They could buy an aged domain pretty cheaply. It all depends on what they want to change their brand name to.

It's going to take longer (and more money) to rebrand and redevelop their PageRank than waiting out the penalty for a month or two would.

Google has indicated that domain names that change hands get reset to zero, so buying an aged domain wouldn't help.

Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#109

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What kind of revenue are we talking about? A few ads on each page can bring in a few grand or more a month. I'm not sure this is rapGenius's end-game though.

A few ads via AdSense brings in less revenue than you think it does.

I think I'm spot on. Maybe even under-estimated. Feel free to prove me wrong. Here's a site with nearly 3 million impressions a month, making $2200. A year or two back when they were "hot", those ad spots were selling out each month: http://buysellads.com/buy/detail/125

Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#110

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PR0 would be far better than what they have now. I think they consider it a negative 0 or maybe a negative 1. They could buy an aged domain pretty cheaply. It all depends on what they want to change their brand name to.

It's going to take longer (and more money) to rebrand and redevelop their PageRank than waiting out the penalty for a month or two would. Google has indicated that domain names that change hands get reset to zero, so buying an aged domain wouldn't help.

The penalty is unknown. They could be looking up to a year in the sandbox. Is it really worth waiting out if it could take that long? Change the logo and get on with it...
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