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Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

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Hypothetical question: if we ("we" being nebulous) were to unveil that every other major lyrics site (azlyrics, metrolyrics, stlyrics, lyricsfreak, lyrics365, etc. etc.) uses the same SEO tactics, would they receive the same attention and punishment?

I tend to feel like they wouldn't. Maybe RapGenuis's more refined image and branding yields a harsher judgment in this case as they probably perform well in many other aspects of SEO.

The link selling, not the meta data of their pages, was what caused this. It's likely that these other lyric sites do these sorts of arrangements in a less public way, whereas RapGenuis was using Twitter, of all places, to sell links.

Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#52

Not only is this bad for RapGenius, it's bad for Google, and most importantly bad for Google's users. Yes, RapGenius screwed up, and they've paid the price. But they've publicly recognized what they did and apologized. Google really should reinstate their ranking, because people searching for lyrics right now are being given the huge disservice of using the ultra-spammy lyrics sites from days of yore.

>it's bad for Google, and most importantly bad for Google's users BS. What's good for Google is showing people that if you engage in bad practices your shit will get nuked from orbit , even if your site is better than the competitors. You'd better believe that companies are going to avoid blackhat SEO in the future after this, and that's absolutely in Google's interests.

Yeah, it would only be actually "bad" for google if people were switching search engines en masse because they couldn't find the lyrics they wanted.

I think that anyone who characterizes google as needing one site over needing people to not blackhat will find that google really doesn't need said site. (Maybe Wikipedia is an exception to this rule?)

Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#53
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Ok, how can Rap Genius recover from this? They're one of the best (and least shady) lyrics sites on the net. They acted immorally, yes, but is justifiable to summarily execute their company? Google has a domineering position in the market, and it's a bit ironic that people were quick to call for Microsoft to be split into multiple companies about a decade ago, yet nobody bats an eye when Google exercises their power.…

A friend of mine ran a long tail content generation service, much like HitTail, and recently had all his clients penalized regardless of the quality of the content they wrote for those long tail keywords. Apparently they already anticipated something like this because several other companies were being manually penalized over the past year and half following an algorithm that seemed like: "Which big AdWords spenders…

Adwords spend is completely unrelated to search ranking.

Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#54

Ok, how can Rap Genius recover from this? They're one of the best (and least shady) lyrics sites on the net. They acted immorally, yes, but is justifiable to summarily execute their company? Google has a domineering position in the market, and it's a bit ironic that people were quick to call for Microsoft to be split into multiple companies about a decade ago, yet nobody bats an eye when Google exercises their power.…

I think the fact that they did lose as much of their uniques means that there is not a lot of brand-loyalty in the market. Then no people would form loyalty for competitors that are now over RG in the google results and they would be back once the penalty is over or RG works things out with Google.

Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#55

Not only is this bad for RapGenius, it's bad for Google, and most importantly bad for Google's users. Yes, RapGenius screwed up, and they've paid the price. But they've publicly recognized what they did and apologized. Google really should reinstate their ranking, because people searching for lyrics right now are being given the huge disservice of using the ultra-spammy lyrics sites from days of yore.

>it's bad for Google, and most importantly bad for Google's users BS. What's good for Google is showing people that if you engage in bad practices your shit will get nuked from orbit , even if your site is better than the competitors. You'd better believe that companies are going to avoid blackhat SEO in the future after this, and that's absolutely in Google's interests.

More specifically, companies are going to avoid entering markets (e.g. online lyrics databases) where Google has demonstrated an unwillingness to appropriately punish established players who use the same black hat practices, since it's impossible to compete in the organic rankings against them.

Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#56

SEO is such a fickle beast. To everyone here who's saying they brought this upon themselves, when rules are unenforced and all your competition breaks them, you've already hamstrung yourself if you don't break them too. If everyone in the MLB is juicing and a rookie gets caught, you don't say "what an idiot", you look at either 1) enforcing the rules on everyone and broadly changing the culture or 2) question whether…

No. They broke the terms of service. They got banned. End of story.

Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#57
post #12

Hypothetical question: if we ("we" being nebulous) were to unveil that every other major lyrics site (azlyrics, metrolyrics, stlyrics, lyricsfreak, lyrics365, etc. etc.) uses the same SEO tactics, would they receive the same attention and punishment?

The punishment is about the same for all websites that engage in blackhat SEO. At least, once they clean up their acts. Until they clean up their acts, the punishment remains in effect. This can be difficult when you pay for nebulous backlinks from spam sites in a network, for instance, as played out with the Anglo Links takedown Google did last month: http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2319130/Did-Anglo-Rank-...

Mind you, this is not the exact behavior RapGenius engaged in. They paid for backlinks, but they paid legitimate sites directly for links in blog posts. Either way, though, it's still blackhat.

It's a really interesting world if you feel like reading up on it at some point. I've always done basic SEO (read: real, legitimate, basic stuff that I'd never even advertise as 'whitehat SEO' since that nearly always means 'blackhat' but we'll pretend it isn't) for my personal sites and client sites over the years. But you're going up against these 'players' who routinely setup networks of spam link sites, backlink payment networks, etc. Granted, most of those are pump and dump. They build them up, make their money, get penalized, then burn it to the ground and move on to another domain. Still, it can be disheartening. And it may tempt some people to take the blackhat approach. But, one look at the penalties should be enough to change their minds.

Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? The "game" RapGenius played was the act of being evil .

the act of being evil. Let's get some perspective here. They were offering to promote people's pages in return for them linking back to them. Far from being evil, this isn't even illegal .

So? Only one thing matters:

They broke the TOS and Google rightfully enforced it.

Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#60
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A friend of mine ran a long tail content generation service, much like HitTail, and recently had all his clients penalized regardless of the quality of the content they wrote for those long tail keywords. Apparently they already anticipated something like this because several other companies were being manually penalized over the past year and half following an algorithm that seemed like: "Which big AdWords spenders…

Adwords spend is completely unrelated to search ranking.

If you're a company and you get to the #1 spot organically you can stop buying AdWords clicks for the same keywords.
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