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Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#41
post #5

"Don't be evil" Rapgenius got punished for playing the game better than anyone else. Who's to say this couldn't happen to highly relevant sources of information? Wikipedia? Underground sites? This is the equivalent of censorship.

They weren't 'playing the game better,' they were cheating. It wouldn't ever happen to Wikipedia and you know that the comparison is absurd.

It isn't the equivalent of censorship, it's rewarding the good behavior of the competition.

Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#42
post #5

"Don't be evil" Rapgenius got punished for playing the game better than anyone else. Who's to say this couldn't happen to highly relevant sources of information? Wikipedia? Underground sites? This is the equivalent of censorship.

"This is the equivalent of censorship." How is penalizing them for engaging in shady SEO tactics considered censorship?

When I google "eminem lyrics" they don't show up in the results. Fine, whatever, seo penalty.

When I google "rapgenius eminem" they don't appear in the results. That's pretty close to censorship.

I'm not necessarily against it, but I don't disagree with the usage of the term.

Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#43

Not only is this bad for RapGenius, it's bad for Google, and most importantly bad for Google's users. Yes, RapGenius screwed up, and they've paid the price. But they've publicly recognized what they did and apologized. Google really should reinstate their ranking, because people searching for lyrics right now are being given the huge disservice of using the ultra-spammy lyrics sites from days of yore.

>it's bad for Google, and most importantly bad for Google's users

BS.

What's good for Google is showing people that if you engage in bad practices your shit will get nuked from orbit, even if your site is better than the competitors.

You'd better believe that companies are going to avoid blackhat SEO in the future after this, and that's absolutely in Google's interests.

Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#44
post #35

Luckily their revenue has remained unchanged... $0. This could have been a financial disaster if Rap Genius was a real business, but you need to have revenue for that.

Many people would kill to have a site with millions and millions of uniques. If monetization HAD to be the primary focus, they could make money. Growth and product is the top priority. Unfortunately for them one of those is suffering right now.

Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#45
post #5

"Don't be evil" Rapgenius got punished for playing the game better than anyone else. Who's to say this couldn't happen to highly relevant sources of information? Wikipedia? Underground sites? This is the equivalent of censorship.

Highly relevant sources of information don't show up in the search results anyway.

They most certainly do in the vast majority of my searches.

Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#46

Ok, how can Rap Genius recover from this? They're one of the best (and least shady) lyrics sites on the net. They acted immorally, yes, but is justifiable to summarily execute their company? Google has a domineering position in the market, and it's a bit ironic that people were quick to call for Microsoft to be split into multiple companies about a decade ago, yet nobody bats an eye when Google exercises their power.…

I expect them to go back to right where they were once their penalty is lifted. Assuming most of their visits were google searchers clicking on the top link, nearly all of those visits/day will come back once they're the top link again. Remember that a huge majority of people have not heard about this controversy. The hacker news sort of community is not their primary audience.

It's possible they'll be bigger, what with all the free (though bad) press they've gotten.

Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#48
post #12

Hypothetical question: if we ("we" being nebulous) were to unveil that every other major lyrics site (azlyrics, metrolyrics, stlyrics, lyricsfreak, lyrics365, etc. etc.) uses the same SEO tactics, would they receive the same attention and punishment?

Someone should just do blackhat SEO for a bunch of those sites, and then Google would have to punish them too (because who could proove that they didn't do it themselves?)

Or taking it one step further, use these tactics to promote a controversial institution or politician (without them knowing). Then "leak" it to Google, so they get punished. Then claim Google is censoring them. Finally enjoy the outrage :-)

Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#49

Not only is this bad for RapGenius, it's bad for Google, and most importantly bad for Google's users. Yes, RapGenius screwed up, and they've paid the price. But they've publicly recognized what they did and apologized. Google really should reinstate their ranking, because people searching for lyrics right now are being given the huge disservice of using the ultra-spammy lyrics sites from days of yore.

They aren't above any other good site "just trying to get traffic" and not be "trampled by blackhat seos" and should face the same penalty.

I applaud Google for this, and that's the first time I've applauded Google in a while!

Re: Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

#50

Ok, how can Rap Genius recover from this? They're one of the best (and least shady) lyrics sites on the net. They acted immorally, yes, but is justifiable to summarily execute their company? Google has a domineering position in the market, and it's a bit ironic that people were quick to call for Microsoft to be split into multiple companies about a decade ago, yet nobody bats an eye when Google exercises their power.…

A friend of mine ran a long tail content generation service, much like HitTail, and recently had all his clients penalized regardless of the quality of the content they wrote for those long tail keywords.

Apparently they already anticipated something like this because several other companies were being manually penalized over the past year and half following an algorithm that seemed like: "Which big AdWords spenders cut down significantly on their budget? Are they getting it organically now? Let's cut that off."

Several of those companies are suing Google for violating EU regulations, so hopefully something will come out of that.

The first step will probably be that penalizations can be fought through the EU judicial system, but it will be a while before we get jurisprudence on that.

I don't know how this would work in the US legal system but, regardless of what the outcome would be in Rap Genius' case, it's probably time for similar jurisprudence to be established in the US.

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