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Re: Girls Who Code

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Post by girvo »

tptacek wrote: post #28
city41 wrote: post #20

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9.6% of all RNs are male [0] Why is there not a male nurse initiative? Or male elementary teacher initiative[1]? I have to admit, I am strongly against things like "Girls who code". If there truly are issues in our culture that prevent girls from looking into coding, then absolutely let's get rid of those as best we can. But a girl can look into and explore coding just as easily as a boy can. There's really nothing s…

That's 3x as many as there were 20 years ago. What does the trendline look like for software development? (I don't know; it's a serious question).

For graduates, as a percentage, it's down. That's all I've seen numbers for anyway.

Re: Girls Who Code

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Post by coldtea »

>There was something about those big, boring corporations of the 1970s and 1980s that actually gave female hackers more acceptance than what startups have offered.

Yes: a 9-5 job mentality and a lack of emphasis on nerdy type hackers doing their thing.

Re: Girls Who Code

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Post by jsmthrowaway »

aphyr wrote: post #258
jsmthrowaway wrote: post #99

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Shanley Kane and her circle and sympathizers are spearheading this. Many of them show up in every HN thread about charged topics. I fully expect defense of them to show up in reply. It is part of my core being to be respectful to everyone, to listen to all sides, to feel empathy; however, when I am presented with a popular group in my industry that does none of those things, I am not sure how to react. What's depress…

I want to help other groups in this industry; however, there is no speaking to them. I think I partially know how it feels to be gay, because I didn't choose my situation yet there is an extremely vocal group that wants me to believe I am doing something wrong. I humbly submit that you have no idea how it feels to be gay, and that the best way to find out is to actually talk to us. aphyr@aphyr.com.

> I humbly submit that you have no idea how it feels to be gay

It was a bad example, which is why I included partially, and I apologize for my poor thought there. I was only identifying with having no choice in a situation and then having vocal groups attempt to vilify that situation.

I am certainly not claiming that I experience any hardship that gay folks do beyond that one. Please don't assume I'm in a bubble, either; I married into a Mormon family and experienced that intolerance firsthand as I fought against it.

E-mailed as requested.

Re: Girls Who Code

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Post by jsmthrowaway »

philwelch wrote: post #278
luigi wrote: post #271

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It's telling that we only know him as "the guy from PlayHaven" while we all know Adria Richards by name. In that picture Adria took at PyCon, I'm not even sure which guy got fired. Okay, so the PlayHaven guy got fired. Adria had death threats made against her, was the subject of a beheading picture, had her home address and phone number publicized, her employer was DDOSed, and she was ultimately fired, like the PlayH…

I think both sides are assholes, and should collectively shut up and let calm, reasonable people handle these problems like adults.

This is my feeling as well. I get that anonymous death threats are an issue, but the counterweight is not made any more palatable by that fact. I also agree with grandparent about anonymous misogyny, but not that one group is less troubling than the other.

Re: Girls Who Code

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Post by jsmthrowaway »

jdunck wrote: post #275
jsmthrowaway wrote: post #99

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Shanley Kane and her circle and sympathizers are spearheading this. Many of them show up in every HN thread about charged topics. I fully expect defense of them to show up in reply. It is part of my core being to be respectful to everyone, to listen to all sides, to feel empathy; however, when I am presented with a popular group in my industry that does none of those things, I am not sure how to react. What's depress…

That people are reading this subthread and finding common cause with this right here... Do you realize how ridiculous you are? If you would like to know what racism is and why criticism of a dominant group on the basis of race isn't in, here's one take: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw_mRaIHb-M But you'd have to listen to get it, and you'd definitely have to give up your bullshit self-serving circular "logic".

> That people are reading this subthread and finding common cause with this right here...

...is indicative of the fact that mentioned people have tweeted a link to it, bringing a predominantly sympathetic crowd to attempt to kick my ass in the comments. Including you. I can read Twitter, you know.

I can't understand the rest of your comment. Can you rephrase your disagreement and point out what you take issue with? It would also help if you didn't refer to my opinion as bullshit, or at least provide some specificity on what you find to be bullshit about what I've said.

Re: Girls Who Code

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Post by [deleted] »

xs_kid wrote: post #280
jsmthrowaway wrote: post #99

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Shanley Kane and her circle and sympathizers are spearheading this. Many of them show up in every HN thread about charged topics. I fully expect defense of them to show up in reply. It is part of my core being to be respectful to everyone, to listen to all sides, to feel empathy; however, when I am presented with a popular group in my industry that does none of those things, I am not sure how to react. What's depress…

> several of her circle started Gittip accounts and they are cleaning house 459usd/week*52weeks/year = 23k/year - taxes = ~10k They will be rich soon.

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Re: Girls Who Code

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Post by jsmthrowaway »

anildash wrote: post #217
jsmthrowaway wrote: post #99

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Shanley Kane and her circle and sympathizers are spearheading this. Many of them show up in every HN thread about charged topics. I fully expect defense of them to show up in reply. It is part of my core being to be respectful to everyone, to listen to all sides, to feel empathy; however, when I am presented with a popular group in my industry that does none of those things, I am not sure how to react. What's depress…

"I'm a white male and I am evil to them" Name one person who has said this.

You, by quoting it. Next?

Re: Girls Who Code

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Post by jsmthrowaway »

philwelch wrote: post #251
jsmthrowaway wrote: post #99

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Shanley Kane and her circle and sympathizers are spearheading this. Many of them show up in every HN thread about charged topics. I fully expect defense of them to show up in reply. It is part of my core being to be respectful to everyone, to listen to all sides, to feel empathy; however, when I am presented with a popular group in my industry that does none of those things, I am not sure how to react. What's depress…

What disappoints me most is that I actually sympathize with feminism. I just wish they were less McCarthyist about it. Which is an apt analogy as I also sympathize with anti-communists.

> What disappoints me most is that I actually sympathize with feminism.

Ready for this? Me too. If you notice, I didn't use that word at all in my comment, because I take issue with only the method of delivery, not the message.

Re: Girls Who Code

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Post by RivieraKid »

hythloday wrote: post #222
RivieraKid wrote: post #195

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> "girls just don't like computers" I believe* in something very similar – that girls have a lower natural inclination to computers and programming than boys have. Is that considered wrong or politically incorrect? *believe = about 85% confidence

What does the word "natural" mean there?

That it's in the DNA. It's nature, npt nurture.

Re: Girls Who Code

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Post by [deleted] »

gfodor wrote: post #17

I have to thank Valleywag for doing me the favor of helping me prune people who lack reading comprehension from twitter. I'm still kind of amazed how so many people un-ironically cited valleywag in their tweets. It's pretty obvious what pg was saying in this particular "smoking gun" quote: that figuring out a way to get more girls interested in programming at 13 is an incredibly important and hard problem. The willin…

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