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Re: Girls Who Code

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If he takes his own advice[1], he'd be hard pressed to say anything at all. When people furiously accuse you of misogyny for not repeating the party line, there's no good faith discussion possible. [1] http://paulgraham.com/say.html

"Party line" is an interesting choice of words. There's definitely some unhealthy groupthink going on that's gaining in power. It's never been easier to have something said taken out of context and have your reputation dragged through the mud by people who are professional social justice warriors and not much else (I doubt Nitasha Tiku could program "hello world") Maybe it's due to the rise of twitter and the ease of…

Indeed, and its ironic that the same people who seek to expose anyone who says something un-PC, are so quick to accuse anyone who criticizes their movement of harassment.

Re: Girls Who Code

#92

One fascinating aspect of this is how bad the post 1990 startup culture has been for women. There was something about those big, boring corporations of the 1970s and 1980s that actually gave female hackers more acceptance than what startups have offered. You can see female interest in programming change in the charts on these pages: http://blogs.computerworld.com/it-careers/21993/women-comput... Note that those graph…

I used to work at Big Blue and got very used to the 'no discrimination' thing they had. So much so that now I'm outside it and working for smaller companies I've really noticed how horrible some of the attitudes towards women are in some of the smaller workplaces here (UK). It's really sickening and while a lot of it is from the older generation (50+) the younger folks aren't blameless either.

Re: Girls Who Code

#93

One fascinating aspect of this is how bad the post 1990 startup culture has been for women. There was something about those big, boring corporations of the 1970s and 1980s that actually gave female hackers more acceptance than what startups have offered. You can see female interest in programming change in the charts on these pages: http://blogs.computerworld.com/it-careers/21993/women-comput... Note that those graph…

> The startups have not emphasized hiring diversity. The startups tend to emphasize culture fit

Basically, "culture fit" is the same thing that the characters of Mad Men look for when they hire, just modulo a different culture. We can't get rid of this aspect of human nature, but we can make it more about rational and objective subjects and less about arbitrary cultural baggage. Basically, less smarmyness/arrogance, more humility, and more insight.

Smarmy and arrogant Ivy-leaguers from the Mad Men days couldn't see their own arbitrary bullshit. It's hard to see one's own arrogant bullshit, especially when you're constantly telling yourself how you're an elite in a meritocracy. Take it from a formerly smarmy and arrogant Ivy-leaguer. If you're a 20-something and think you're immune, you're a prime suspect.

Re: Girls Who Code

#94
post #8

My daughter doesn't code, but she and another friend of hers do a lot of work to find, get and set up game emulators and related wares. Motivated to do light "sys admin" work, but not coding, I guess.

Does they play Megadrive games? If so I know a really cool nerdy trick:

Sonic & Knuckles was a pretty awesome Sonic installment for the Megadrive that had a really weird cartridge. On top, it had a flip-open cartridge slot... You could plug in Sonic 2 or Sonic 3 to play through those previously existing games with the Knuckles character. Awesome!

So how do you play the games like that on your emulator? Turns out it's really simple:

> cat snk.bin sonic3.bin > sonic3nk.bin

Or on Windows, as I first learnt it (I had no idea what the command actually did back then, it was magic to me):

> copy /b snk.bin + sonic3.bin sonic3nk.bin

Suddenly I have a brand new game to play!

How it works: When you plug another cartridge into the top of Sonic & Knuckles the console sees both games combined as a contiguous block of memory, which is equivalent to concatenating together the binary dumps of the cartridges.

More details about this are available on this slightly horrific but very thorough webpage: http://www.emulationzone.org/projects/s&k/thesis.htm

Re: Girls Who Code

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post #13

I am a man. These initiatives will simply not work. Imagine "Men Nurse." Many women SIMPLY do not code for the same reason many men do not code. Most of us were not exposed to the science as kids, hence step 1 is to make Programming mandatory. Note I say programming and not C.S.. I am an amateur programmer and I can say wit confidence that this is as fundamental as basic arithmetic. Full stop. I frankly wish they shu…

There are tons of male nurses. 'iamelgringo, a former top contributor here, is an ER nurse. Back of the envelope: There are ~24,000,000 people aged 18-24 in the US. Assume half are female: there are ~12,000,000 "girls who might code" in the US. Of these, 12.6% are African American. There are ~1,440,00 "black girls who might code" in the US. There are ~400,000 people who live in Tulsa. There have probably been several…

But Tulsa Codes would exist for logistical and practical reasons (it makes sense to organize people who already live in an area).

Girls Code is associated (fairly or not) with an ideological movement to correct for oppression and privilege that exists in our society. People who disagree with this movement will of course post about it when they see these articles.

Re: Girls Who Code

#96
post #8

My daughter doesn't code, but she and another friend of hers do a lot of work to find, get and set up game emulators and related wares. Motivated to do light "sys admin" work, but not coding, I guess.

Nurture that. It's how a lot of developers get started: by tinkering and tooling.

Re: Girls Who Code

#97

One fascinating aspect of this is how bad the post 1990 startup culture has been for women. There was something about those big, boring corporations of the 1970s and 1980s that actually gave female hackers more acceptance than what startups have offered. You can see female interest in programming change in the charts on these pages: http://blogs.computerworld.com/it-careers/21993/women-comput... Note that those graph…

Glad to see someone else bringing up the "cultural fit" bullshit.

Re: Girls Who Code

#98
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are tons of male nurses. 'iamelgringo, a former top contributor here, is an ER nurse. Back of the envelope: There are ~24,000,000 people aged 18-24 in the US. Assume half are female: there are ~12,000,000 "girls who might code" in the US. Of these, 12.6% are African American. There are ~1,440,00 "black girls who might code" in the US. There are ~400,000 people who live in Tulsa. There have probably been several…

But Tulsa Codes would exist for logistical and practical reasons (it makes sense to organize people who already live in an area). Girls Code is associated (fairly or not) with an ideological movement to correct for oppression and privilege that exists in our society. People who disagree with this movement will of course post about it when they see these articles.

Yes. Exactly my point. The problem people have with "Girls Code" is that accepting it requires them to accept that women have been at some point treated unfairly.

Re: Girls Who Code

#99
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If he takes his own advice[1], he'd be hard pressed to say anything at all. When people furiously accuse you of misogyny for not repeating the party line, there's no good faith discussion possible. [1] http://paulgraham.com/say.html

"Party line" is an interesting choice of words. There's definitely some unhealthy groupthink going on that's gaining in power. It's never been easier to have something said taken out of context and have your reputation dragged through the mud by people who are professional social justice warriors and not much else (I doubt Nitasha Tiku could program "hello world") Maybe it's due to the rise of twitter and the ease of…

Shanley Kane and her circle and sympathizers are spearheading this. Many of them show up in every HN thread about charged topics. I fully expect defense of them to show up in reply. It is part of my core being to be respectful to everyone, to listen to all sides, to feel empathy; however, when I am presented with a popular group in my industry that does none of those things, I am not sure how to react.

What's depressing is how many people get added to that list, some unexpectedly; I had a lot of respect for Alex Gaynor until he filed that famous pull request and threw his lot in with that crowd (which he did when he wrote a blog post that said "if you disagree, you are wrong," effectively ending the possibility of rationally disagreeing with him).

I want to make things better as a white male, but I am fairly tired of her group trying to make me regret the situation I was born into. It's not my fault I'm a white male, I am cognizant of my advantage, and I want to help other groups in this industry; however, there is no speaking to them. I've tried. I'm a white male and I am evil to them, the irony of which is not lost on me given their purpose. I think I partially know how it feels to be gay, because I didn't choose my situation yet there is an extremely vocal group that wants me to believe I am doing something wrong.

On top of that, I know several women in the industry, from marketing wizard to expert programmer with publish credits, who have to tip toe when they go to a company because men are being trained that all women are like Shanley in the industry. I have yet to meet a woman that appreciates the efforts of the Twitter cabal. Some of them won't share that opinion because they're scared to death of being marked. Just look at historical precedent. Shanley never misses a chance to go after Sarah Lacy. Zed Shaw is still going after Steve Holden every chance he gets. Once you fuck up you are followed for life. I bet people are religiously looking for the guy from PlayHaven to see what he does next.

More apropos, Shanley is now furiously trying to get journalists to support her anti-HN agenda, and is calling for a boycott of all portfolio companies, simply based on one comment by pg. That's the modus operandae of these people: all it takes is one mistake, one out of context quote, anything, and the party line is now that Y Combinator is misogynistic and represents the active VC discrimination against women. Some brave soul asked her for proof on Twitter and got a healthy "fuck you" back after she told him to Google it. That's some McCarthyesque shit right there. Is that what we are now? Communist hunters? Because I could have sworn we were smart folks trying to make the world a better place.

I worry about the outright animosity that is gaining support in our industry. There is no inclination to work together, only standing around and yelling at each other. Enough people seem to think that's a good thing because several of her circle started Gittip accounts and they are cleaning house. I have no idea what to make of that.

My only recourse thus far has been to keep distance and remember the companies that foster this animosity by employing those folks and publicly supporting their ideals. Then I think twice about ever working there. Basho and Joyent come to mind. On the flip side, I'd be privileged to work at SendGrid, who publicly took a stand against such behavior.

2013 for me: the US government is now an advanced persistent threat against my infrastructure and there is also an advanced persistent threat developing against my career, lest I not suppress independent thought.

Re: Girls Who Code

#100
post #38
post #19

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Once again: after establishing bona fides by saying "fuck Vallywag and everything they stand for", I feel like I need to say that Graham wasn't hugely distorted. He was asked whether YC discriminates against women. The obvious subtext of that question is that there's a large imbalance between men & women among YC founders. He could have said "no, we don't discriminate; I don't know why the imbalance among YC founders…

OK, I'll just post what Valleywag excerpted, with the assumption that if any context is left out, it is in favor of the Valleywag author, with interjections of how I interpreted PG's words: > I'm almost certain that we don't discriminate against female founders because I would know from looking at the ones we missed. [...] OK, nothing bad here, assuming that the implication is that there aren't many female founders f…

How is being interested in something a privilege?
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