Live data from Hacker News

How Google keeps employees by treating them like kids (2006)

aaronsw.com

91–100 of 171 posts

Re: How Google keeps employees by treating them like kids (2006)

#91
post #17

A month earlier, Aaron wrote about his experiences working in a more traditional kind of office: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/officespace > Gray walls, gray desks, gray noise. The first day I showed up here, I simply couldn’t take it. By lunch time I had literally locked myself in a bathroom stall and started crying. So I'm not sure what kind of office would have ever met his approval.

I have to think his head was wired differently than most of us.

Not that different. I suffered something similar within a month of starting my first job and its being a highly typical corporate job.

Mind, that was probably because I burned myself the hell out at the end of college. I've never worked anywhere fancy, and somehow my psyche hasn't broken again.

Re: How Google keeps employees by treating them like kids (2006)

#92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This, incidentally, is the same building that Google San Francisco is in.

Thank you for saying "incidentally" instead of "ironically." You are one in a million.

Ironically, I was wrong about the buildings.

Re: How Google keeps employees by treating them like kids (2006)

#94
post #45
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do know that one of Aaron's strengths, or at least a point of focus, was gamification. Looking at this article in that light you realize that he was trying to stir up a conversation. He also didn't seem to bother to be nice, at least when he had an opposing opinion.

I think the word for that is "trolling." And you're right: the article does make more sense when looked at that way.

> I think the word for that is "trolling."

There is a difference between stirring up a conversation you think needs to be had, by simply not beating around the bush in regards to an opinion you actually hold -- and pretending to have an opinion you know to be controversial, just so people waste their energy discussing something you couldn't care less about.

Calling anything you disagree with, or anything written without caring how others might take it, a "troll" is at best mistaken, at worst a nice try.

Re: How Google keeps employees by treating them like kids (2006)

#95
post #17

A month earlier, Aaron wrote about his experiences working in a more traditional kind of office: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/officespace > Gray walls, gray desks, gray noise. The first day I showed up here, I simply couldn’t take it. By lunch time I had literally locked myself in a bathroom stall and started crying. So I'm not sure what kind of office would have ever met his approval.

Actually I think that quite a few offices would have met with his approval. It is not a choice between grey cubes and zany beanbag chairs + silly toys, there are other factors.

I spent a while working for the UK civil service - the ultimate in 'grey'! However, our office was above an aquarium, our research was in oceanography and, as a consequence, we had an amazing foyer (the public aquarium) with a fantastic view out to sea overlooking the harbour (probably the best view in town). The hallways had fish-tanks in them complete with fish that were neither to eat or for decoration, there were 'bits of boat' lying around plus all kinds of sea-going instrumentation. There were plants too, not the sort you get from the garden centre, but I never paid attention to them enough to find out what they were there for. Amongst all of this fun-looking stuff there was a pretty big machine room and half the people there were purely computing staff.

Importantly all of it was the real deal. None of it was fake, just purchased to give some novelty ambience to the office. It all had purpose, but fun was allowed too, within reason. Hallways would have plenty of interesting pictures, you know, the team at the base in the Antarctic, some satellite imagery of an algae bloom, that sort of stuff.

There are plenty of other offices that have some amazing ambience to them. Television production facilities are another example, where there are zany fake things but they are props used for some show or other. Even relatively humble factories making things like cardboard boxes can have cool offices attached, overlooking the factory floor.

The problem I have with Google style offices is that it is entirely fake. The distractions would drive me mad. Everyone knows it is fake. At the same time there is something sick about totally grey cubicles, i.e. with a tech company that just sells software. So, what to do with an IT company that has no 'fascinating product' made on site?

Some inspiration can be found in the Maclaren Technology Centre. This is where the Maclaren F1 cars come from. Sure they have plenty of F1 cars lying around, however, the building has some ethos to it - attention to detail, supreme cleanliness and an air of excellence. It is a complete contrast to your typical car garage. None of it is fake, although I am sure the 'OCD' could drive you mad.

Inspiration can also be drawn from places like Europe where tech companies have taken space in areas that were once used for other things. The character of the old industry - e.g. a dockside building or mill - is inherited and you have something that is repurposed rather than faked.

Anyway, I like to think that there are plenty of office spaces that aren't Google cheesy or grey cubicles but something with character born out of heritage or instilled from some company ethos.

Re: How Google keeps employees by treating them like kids (2006)

#96

I'm 42. Most of the people I work with are in the 30s and 40s and have children. The stereotype of Google hiring nothing but Stanford grads has been over for a while. As much as I like Aaron, here he is guilty of excessive generalization. Even in 2006 the claims don't match reality. I lived through the first dot.com boom in CA, where companies were falling hand over fist to offer perks, many of them financially unsus…

You're comfortable in the Matrix, good for you. Just don't evangelize please.

Re: How Google keeps employees by treating them like kids (2006)

#97
post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ads are not bad by themselves.

I would contend that advertising, marketing, and consumerism are not noble causes for humanity, and engineers who devote their lifespan to enabling such things are wasting their precious allotment of time. Google's revenue driver is putting products in front of eyeballs. Imagine a world in which such a thing was not a market. Yes, you need awareness of products for people to buy said products. I get that. But no, you…

Does your assessment of the value of advertising include the things that are funded by adverts?

That covers almost all print journalism, a lot of full-time internet content creators (from the onion to full time youtube content creators) not to mention Google Search, Gmail, Google Maps, Chrome and Youtube.

If advertising includes everything paid for by adverts, advertising is useful to humanity. If advertising doesn't include everything paid for by adverts, Google isn't only an advertising company.

Re: How Google keeps employees by treating them like kids (2006)

#98

I'm 42. Most of the people I work with are in the 30s and 40s and have children. The stereotype of Google hiring nothing but Stanford grads has been over for a while. As much as I like Aaron, here he is guilty of excessive generalization. Even in 2006 the claims don't match reality. I lived through the first dot.com boom in CA, where companies were falling hand over fist to offer perks, many of them financially unsus…

You're comfortable in the Matrix, good for you. Just don't evangelize please.

Stating facts to correct erroneous claims isn't evangelization.

What is the moral of this story anyway? That your workplace shouldn't offer you free food, or have fun areas with cool statues, because a replica of SpaceShip One will "infantilize you"? And this is supposed to scare people into going to a "grown up" workplace and grey suits and expensive shitty food?

I used to pay high prices to eat lunch at IBM Cafeterias, and it was terrible food. But this infantilized me less?

Re: How Google keeps employees by treating them like kids (2006)

#99
post #31
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is something I've found very weird: there's a sharp difference between the opinions of people I know in person and people online. HN commenters love to hate open office plans. It's one of the few topics on which they agree with /r/programming! And yet everywhere I've spent time has been in favor of open offices. This includes a few startups, sure, but also an enterprise software company (Guidewire), an academic…

I wonder how many of those people ever had their own office. If you don't know any better, what you have may seem pretty good. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. For some types of problem solving, a closed space to think for an extended period of time is really useful.

> I wonder how many of those people ever had their own office. If you don't know any better, what you have may seem pretty good.

Coach never felt cramped until I was back there after the first time flying business class. Spoiled for life. If there is some second transition to travel satori -- where mountains are mountains and coach is no longer cramped -- I haven't attained it yet.

For people writing code, there needs to be some way to indicate "I am in the cave, do not disturb unless truly urgent". The most-obvious way is a door that closes. I imagine it can work other ways in other environments.

Re: How Google keeps employees by treating them like kids (2006)

#100
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Stock options? Who needs stock options when you have beanbag chairs?" If I want a beanbag chair at my desk, I'll buy myself a beanbag chair, thankyouverymuch. :)

Or both, or the company allows employees to reimburse their own ergonomic chair purchase. I actually prefer the latter if I can't find one I like from whatever the office provides.

[deleted]
Post reply on HN