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Re: Getting a SIM card in India

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This is nothing compared to the $1,000 security deposit an AT&T employee asked me for an prepaid iPad SIM card. They wanted this deposit because I didn't have a social security number. T-Mobile sorted me out eventually, but they have their own issues. Not being able to get a SIM card in India is actually a huge deal for travelers because India's roaming fees are pretty much the highest in the world. I remember a shor…

I had a AT&T employee helpfully give me an account with nothing more than my first name -- I think he filled in the address of the store and zeros for everything else. But I'd previously had them outright refuse to sell me one. I bought a T-mobile SIM at Walmart for their legendary $30/mo unltd data plan, and online activation wanted a bunch of PII (I forget if it asked for an SSN as I had one at that point). I reall…

Was it for an iPad? Those seem to be especially difficult.

I went to five AT&T shops before giving up. I also went to two T-Mobile shops before someone would help me.

Other challenges: AT&T only allows prepaid SIM cards to be activated using a US credit card that is linked to an address. So foreign or prepaid credit cards don't work.

Re: Getting a SIM card in India

#42
Indian here and also work in telecom core tech. So more info below

1. about 1/2 year back getting SIM was like getting oxygen. It was like Rs5 or even free some times. It started causing lots of issues. Its way for cheap advertising actually you know Indians tend to spend less, specially in business. Following are some of the consequences

   i. Marketing SMS from these free/cheap SIM cards

   ii. Perverts start irritating ladies(yes, this is true)

   iii. Of course lots of marketing calls.

   iv. The worst part is its used for all kinds of illegal activity, when police wanted traces, the SIM card vanishes without any proofs.

   v. The biggest problem TERRORISTS. 
Now govt wanted control over these problems.

Govt took few good steps like DND(Do Notcall Directory) where a customer registers himself/herself to this service do not get any unwanted calls. If such calls comes then the operator will be heavily penalized.

2. Since they wanted tracking of the the valid users of the SIM, strict rules followed to give govt provided photo id for Indians and passport for non-Indians. And also took strict activation mechanism that a voice call is made from operator to verify the user details given.

3. now the tech part :). You know since India is one of the biggest countries and due to business and competition we have around 17 operators. Even complex part is although Airtel(in your case) in Delhi and Bombay, technically both work as different operators(yes its true). 404-10 Airtel Delhi and 404-92 AIRTEL Mumbai. refer this link http://modmymobile.com/forums/70-slvr-l9-l72/555395-mcc-mnc-... This means if your Delhi user and make call from Bombay the original authentication happens in Delhi itself(in telecom language its called Home Location Register HLR in short). And when you visit Bombay/Mumbai you are in a location called Visitor Location Register in short VLR. Since your card is not yet activated the VLR rejects you,Hope this helps.

P.S: India does not allow location based services as of now. and TRAI(Telecom Regulatory Authority of India) expects your calls SMS etc are stored for 36 months. So if you have done something wrong using mobile phone in India, beware that govt has 3 years to get hold of you :)

HAPPY MOBILING IN INDIA :)

Re: Getting a SIM card in India

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Despite poor infrastructure in many areas, India has one of the best telecom infrastructure thanks to Sam Pitroda - the father of Indian telecom. From Wikipedia [1]: "As technology Advisor to the Prime Minister, Rajiv Gandhi in the 1984s, Pitroda not only heralded the telecom revolution in India, but also made a strong case for using technology for the benefit of society through missions on telecommunications, litera…

Could you elaborate on why it is so hard to get a SIM? Here in Europe it couldn't be easier, and most providers give you the SIM for free if you buy a certain amount of airtime. A few months ago in Ireland I got a new SIM from Three just for tethering. I went into the shop, gave them a €20 banknote, and got a SIM with unlimited data for a month. No ID or credit card required. I was a bit surprised myself. When I work…

It's not actually hard. It's just that the SIM cards not pre-activated. One needs to provide address and ID proof as per DoT (Department of Telecom, India) regulations, and SIM would be activated 24 hours later. The cost of SIM card itself is negligible.

Check chapter 1 here:

http://www.trai.gov.in/WriteReadData/userfiles/file/measures...

Re: Getting a SIM card in India

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Despite poor infrastructure in many areas, India has one of the best telecom infrastructure thanks to Sam Pitroda - the father of Indian telecom. From Wikipedia [1]: "As technology Advisor to the Prime Minister, Rajiv Gandhi in the 1984s, Pitroda not only heralded the telecom revolution in India, but also made a strong case for using technology for the benefit of society through missions on telecommunications, litera…

Could you elaborate on why it is so hard to get a SIM? Here in Europe it couldn't be easier, and most providers give you the SIM for free if you buy a certain amount of airtime. A few months ago in Ireland I got a new SIM from Three just for tethering. I went into the shop, gave them a €20 banknote, and got a SIM with unlimited data for a month. No ID or credit card required. I was a bit surprised myself. When I work…

>Could you elaborate on why it is so hard to get a SIM? Here in Europe it couldn't be easier, and most providers give you the SIM for free if you buy a certain amount of airtime.

Many people don't have the required ID to get a SIM. So they used to have someone else buy them a prepaid SIM and then use it under that person's ID. In some cases, they'd do something illegal and finding the right person was painful.

There were many cases in the early days where people would use fake ID and buy postpaid phones. They'd use it as long as the operator would let them, without paying the bill. Rinse repeat the fake id. There were a bunch of folks who did this when we were at university - IIRC, they went through a half dozen handsets in 3 months and ran up large bills. There was an black market of sorts for such mobiles - buy it for Rs.500 (reliance), resell it for Rs.1000 and use it for Rs.10000+. People used to call in to one of these phones. the owner of the phone would then conference them on long-distance (expensive then) calls and international calls ;-)

Finally the terrorism thing, where the government said that wanted to avoid giving them an easy way to communicate. they also banned the hiding of one's number in the caller id because people were making too many crank calls and creating trouble.

At the end of it all, the rules mandate official ID proof. Activation needs a background verification to be done. While this does not work in reality, the number of postpaid dine-and-dash type situations have been reduced.

Re: Getting a SIM card in India

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Despite poor infrastructure in many areas, India has one of the best telecom infrastructure thanks to Sam Pitroda - the father of Indian telecom. From Wikipedia [1]: "As technology Advisor to the Prime Minister, Rajiv Gandhi in the 1984s, Pitroda not only heralded the telecom revolution in India, but also made a strong case for using technology for the benefit of society through missions on telecommunications, litera…

> Getting a SIM card is intentionally hard partly due to their prevalence for terrorist activities Seriously? That sounds like the most idiotic excuse ever. Terrorists also eat chewing gum, so we're going to ask for ID and 24 hour waiting period before buying chewing gums? In the UK (and probably many other countries), you can buy a SIM card in a grocery shop and it's activated instantly. Adding a data plan or call/s…

Sometimes we feel bad. But finding exact terrorist out of 1200000000 many people is not so easy job :)

Re: Getting a SIM card in India

#46

Sheesh, To compare that with getting a SIM in Thailand. You go to one of the three vendors, who set up a stall at BKK hand over your phone and they insert the SIM and configure it (useful if you want Internet access). 5 minutes later and 1'000 bt (ca. 30USD) poorer (depending on the plan) you are on your merry ways.

Yikes, 1000THB? You can just go to 7-11 and buy a SIM card for 50 baht ($1.50). They have 3G capable ones too.

Depends what you want.

Yes, 50bt will get you the naked SIM, but if you want to make calls, or connect to the Internet you need to charge it.

The 1000bt quoted includes 30 days of Internet access with a 1 - 2 GB traffic included and 200-300bt of additional phone credit for calls and sms.

From that perspective 1000bt don't look too bad anymore.

Re: Getting a SIM card in India

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Interesting. In Australia, you go to any store or 7-11/newsagent, buy a SIM starter kit, show photo ID and sign a document saying you're not a terrorist, then out in the SIM and activate it online or over the phone.

Good that terrorists are very honest people...

Isn't it? ;)

Re: Getting a SIM card in India

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My experience of getting a SIM card in Mumbai: Go to hotel concierge, ask about getting a SIM card. Referred to English speaking member of staff. Offer him INR100 plus costs to get me a sim card with data plan. Browsing the web within 15 minutes.

Bingo. You nailed it.
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