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Re: Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

#181
post #63

I would love to see Google hire some muscle to provide security for their buses. Just let the protesters choose what level of violence to bring to the table.

You mean guns? Maybe give bullet proof vest to Google employees.

Big imposing dudes with mace would probably be sufficient. These kids are spineless bullies from entitled backgrounds, not hardened criminals.

Re: Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

#182
post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the rent issue is definitely real, but isn't the fault of techies. It's the fault of several interacting factors: (1) Anti-development mentality on the part of city councils, zoning boards, etc. (2) Geographic containment of the area. (3) Shitty public transit and overcrowded roads. (4) Foreign investors driving up the price of RE. ... in roughly that order. #1 is largely the fault of this same stereotypical…

#1 is also the fault of conservative property owners, because building new housing lowers the prices of existing houses.

Yes, it's sort of a de-facto alliance: conservative property owners and clueless braindead slacktivists. Remove the slactivists and their flimsy environmental arguments from the equation and the purely greed-driven NIMBYism of the property owners will become much harder to defend/justify.

Re: Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

#184

Gotta love “TECHIES: Your World Is Not Welcome Here” I find it hard to sympathize with a bunch of lazy thugs who do nothing to improve their situation. Engineering and white collar jobs in general have always paid well. Industries who are in demand even more so, and for just reason. Did similar protests happen in Detroit 50 years ago during the auto boom? Did unskilled rubes that do nothing all day put up banners say…

My thoughts on this are, techies are generally nice and intelligent people. Last thing they will do is to harm someone or get to a physical fight. Unionised autoworkers wouldn't be a soft target. I really hope that this is a one off incident and not beginning of some demonifying of tech sector. Incidences like this could be shocking to some people and may change their perception about poor and helpless. In this thread itself, there are so many comments with words like leeches and useless thrown in.

Re: Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

#185
post #63

I would love to see Google hire some muscle to provide security for their buses. Just let the protesters choose what level of violence to bring to the table.

You mean guns? Maybe give bullet proof vest to Google employees.

I'm just mean security guards. I doubt they are allowed to carry guns.

Re: Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

#186
Things change. Neighborhoods get gentrified. Neighborhoods get bombed. You adapt, or you die. Protesting progressive change is futile.

You're not homeless because rents went up in your little neighborhood in Oakland. You're homeless because you chose not to move when rents went up.

People need to take responsibility for their actions. I would like to protest the protests of today.

Re: Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

#187
post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re: The port shutdown: The longshoremen's union supported the Occupy shutdown, but were contractually obligated not to participate in the protest. Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/occupy-oakland-shuts-down-port/ Since almost everything else you said is anecdotal, it's hard for me to respond to, but your statement about the longshoremen, that's certainly wrong. In general, the people that you are deriding and caric…

...but your statement about the longshoremen, that's certainly wrong. No, it's right. ILWU (the union) leadership has made statements such as "Organization from outside groups attempting to co-opt our struggle in order to advance a broader agenda is quite another and one that is destructive to our democratic process and jeopardizes our over two year struggle in Longview." [1] So I may not have been right about them s…

The Longview comment is from the Longview, Washington Union rep, not Oakland. The driver interviewed there is also not a longshoreman, and very likely not repped by a union at all. The Occupy Oakland movement was not a monolithic group of dreadlocked, burning man, trustafarians as you implied, but it's a convenient mis-characterization, as is your implication that the Union was only interested in avoiding alienating their ideological allies out of convenience rather than in actual solidarity with their cause.

EDIT:

I was mistaken regarding the comment coming from the Longview rep, it's actually from the Union President. When viewed in full, his opinion seems to be more nuanced than simply "closing the port is bad."

http://www.ilwu40.org/docs/12-06-11-McEllrath%20Letter.pdf

Re: Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

#188
post #131

As usual, the irony is at an all time high. > "While they took their seats, several people unfurled two giant banners reading “TECHIES: Your World Is Not Welcome Here” and “FUCK OFF GOOGLE.” People holding banners that were laser printed with materials synthesized by complex machines. People with cell phones tucked away in their pockets. People who have used Google a million times.

Cellphones likely running Android OS. And these rioters might have found each other using some Goggle powered LBS.

Re: Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

#189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This "top earner" wants more tax increases. I'm not alone. What I do not want is to be subject to violent attacks for getting up and going to work in the morning, nor to be compared to Glenn Beck for having no sympathy for the violent criminals doing so.

And I feel the same. But here's more food for thought: when you've nothing to lose, you basically lose it. And that, sadly, is where a lot of Americans have been heading since late 2007.

Grew up on inadequate food stamps. The people with nothing to lose are busy trying to find something to lose. These thugs are not those people.

Re: Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

#190

West Oakland is a traditionally black neighborhood that surrounds the Port of Oakland. It has been heavily gentrified, developed, and restructured over the past three decades. Now there is an upper class enclave that has been established near the West Oakland BART station, in Jack London, and in the city of Emeryville. Oh fuck you and your dreadlocks. There are only two photos on that page, so I don't definitively kn…

It's understandable that you'd be upset if you knew this was a case of rich white kids playing the race card, but you don't -- all we know is that some of the protesters were white. Making generalizations is counterproductive.

"These are Burning Man hippies, self-styled artists, people who graduated from great schools with useless majors, and the usual constituent of the Bay Area's overprivileged poverty tourists: 20-30 y/o white kids from middle class families."

..because this is all obvious evidence of the article.

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