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Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

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>that's really shocking for a company that is trying to play a role as a financial institution. That is probably the scariest part about the current Bitcoin community. Many of the big names are simply "playing a role". We have no idea of their technical expertise, the viability of their software, their USD/Bitcoin reserves, how they plan to address disputes like this, or even whether they are skimming of the top.

0. This is exactly why auditing (internal and external) and settlement processes exist elsewhere. But it's impossible to have a startup deploy every single control at the very beginning. There are costs (time & money) to get things done, those control don't just magically appear. Eventually, with scale, the growing pains of business process debt (like technical debt) will come due. That's a good thing, because buildi…

Agreed. The biggest growth area in banking and finance is compliance & legal. A startup doesn't have the financial resources to make a bulletproof compliance and customer service department.

Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

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Coinbase is not a bank. Or a financial institution. If it were, it'd have a charter and licenses. It's a merchant just like any other. You give them money in exchange for goods. No different than iTunes.

It does not need to be licensed as a financial institution to be deemed as one. The courts can and will deem them that the company is subject to some of the rules and regulations governing the financial industry and up the charges against them when this enforced. I am purposely not saying 'if'. Because there is no possibility of this not being brought to a judge on the behest of SEC themselves or a consumer complaint…

Bitcoin is not an official currency in the eyes of the law. Therefore, there are almost zero regulations that would apply to Bitcoin transactions, other than contract law.

Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

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Brian from Coinbase here. Sorry for the delay on that - definitely not the customer experience we are striving for. We should have things squared away for you by end of day. Edit: your bitcoin credit has now been processed. It looks like as we were performing server upgrades last week a handful of jobs didn't run as normal. We should have certainly caught it and responded sooner so that was our fault. My deepest apol…

Forget the difference in the exchange rates. Are you saying you have no system in place to monitor if transactions execute successfully ? I'm not trying to be hyperbolic but that's really shocking for a company that is trying to play a role as a financial institution.

I'm not trying to be hyperbolic but that's really shocking for a company that is trying to play a role as a financial institution.

You're not being hyperbolic at all. You're just used to the standard Hacker News "only haters expect businesses to be competent" type of handwaving response. But this thread is about money, that makes it different.

Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

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Coinbase updated their comment after seeing the backlash.

Huh, I'll remember the "take it to HN" option if I ever run into big problems with a high-tech company.

Oh, totally. You'll notice over time that Hacker News is the only way to contact google support without spending thousands of dollars on adwords.

Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

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Apparently, referring to a thread which is highly critical of Coinbase, while participating in another critical thread, is proof enough for you that Coinbase criticism is silenced. I hope when I frame it like this, you understand how stupid it is, what you wrote.

What's apparent is the fact that you are incapable of analysis. If you bothered to read the other thread, you'll see parallels to the current situation: - transaction delays on the order of 1 week - Coinbase is blaming technology (last time it was a database migration, this time server upgrades) - Customer support has been silent (znowi described it as "information vacuum" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5427985…

You're changing the subject to something which is not in dispute.

You said that the standard approach on HN is to silence criticism -- a stupefying statement, given that at the time you posted it, this conversation had maybe 100+ comments and had been on the front page for a while. Also, in that same comment, you linked to another voluminous thread criticizing Coinbase. Amazingly, the existence of your comment strongly mitigates against your thesis being true.

I think you must realize this at some level, as you have chosen to employ the age-old tactic of the inescapably wrong: quietly change subjects and hope nobody notices.

Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

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What's apparent is the fact that you are incapable of analysis. If you bothered to read the other thread, you'll see parallels to the current situation: - transaction delays on the order of 1 week - Coinbase is blaming technology (last time it was a database migration, this time server upgrades) - Customer support has been silent (znowi described it as "information vacuum" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5427985…

You're changing the subject to something which is not in dispute. You said that the standard approach on HN is to silence criticism -- a stupefying statement, given that at the time you posted it, this conversation had maybe 100+ comments and had been on the front page for a while. Also, in that same comment, you linked to another voluminous thread criticizing Coinbase. Amazingly, the existence of your comment strong…

There is zero ambiguity in the PG quote

> Strictly speaking I should have killed the post entirely

And this was 9 months ago. We are left to assume that the policy was enforced (after all, if the post were killed, it wouldn't show up in a search).

And even in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6931168

> I've been keeping my mouth shut here about Coinbase after starting that thread 9 months ago.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear others echo the same sentiment (concern about expressing grievances about Coinbase) especially after PG's responses in the original conversation.

Others in the original thread refuted the argument you are presenting, so I recommend you start https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5428757 before rehashing arguments that have already been addressed

Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

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You clearly haven't been dealing with businesses. 99% doesn't do daily checks. Many notice thins after a month or so, when closing books for month. And some notice those kind of things aften closing a year. But there still are many businesses which won't ever notice or care missing 100 grand. Been there and done that, and it's much more common than you think. In some of those cases I personally think that the busines…

If this is really is business as usual, then it might be acceptable for a widget selling company but completely unacceptable for financial services. In financial services the same actions that you describe are gross negligence that (depending on jurisdiction) can mean personal liability, possibly including criminal charges, for the relevant CxOs, and a lifetime ban from running any other financial companies in future…

You think that Goldman Sachs, for example, had exactly 263,674,000,000.00 of cash and cash equivalents at the end of 2012? You don't think that's likely rounded to at least the million?

In fact it seems that most Fortune 500 companies, regardless of industry round things to the million. It's pretty easy to lose a few hundred thousand if you are doing that.

Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

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post #342

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Not really. Financial transactions are really almost never implemented with database transactions.

A lot of people truly don't understand how financial companies do stuff. Hell, Financial companies are ones who are adopting Mongo and the like themselves. We all assume it's one way, when it's actually done another....

What financial companies are adopting Mongo for accounting/customer transaction storage?

I've heard of somewhere like ADP using it but they are using it as an analytics database, not for actual payroll processing.

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