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Coinbase Crosses 650,000 Users

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Re: Coinbase Crosses 650,000 Users

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Speaking as someone who knows a lot about economics, I think PT Barnum put it best...[1] Economics is very clear in predicting how this will end up. Bitcoins have no intrinsic value and therefore the long-term price will be precisely zero. Each generation has its tulips [2]; each generation claims that the persistence in tulip price means that there is permanent intrinsic value; each generation is disappointed [3]. T…

Define 'long term' Government's crumble making the long term value of any currency 0.

or just print more of it until it's near worthless. http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1&From=Z...

Re: Coinbase Crosses 650,000 Users

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You mean "a system of money in general use in a particular country" (Oxford). Yeah definitely not a mainstream currency yet. That's why we use the polite term "alternative currency" which is short for "a system of money in limited use across many countries."

But it's still not a currency, kind of like how "alternative medicine" isn't really medicine.

It's medicine if it makes you better. It's a currency if you can exchange it for goods and services.

Re: Coinbase Crosses 650,000 Users

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Just no intrinsic value to you... yet. But ask people in Cyprus who have had their money confiscated by their bank if they think bitcoins would've been valuable to them, or people in China who've walked across the border with a thumbdrive of bitcoins/litecoins/??coins. Ask anyone who has made an overseas funds transfer if doing so was quicker and more painless than at bank. Volatility is offset by the overall price r…

walked across the border with a thumbdrive of bitcoins/litecoins/??coins. What about walking across the border with the account credentials of a WoW character with a lot of gold? intranet of cryptocoins for budgeting and spending. Is there a way to make a "trusted bitcoin" for internal use only where you don't have to do all the computation? I guess at that point it could just be a centralized Excel spreadsheet for a…

You're not thinking too deeply.

I think a company could use an intra-blockchain to run a micro-economy within it. Transactions take place that enable it to function. Also, there is an interface between intra and public blockchains. If your department wants pens, it must buy it internally from the Supplies department. At some point Supplies converts its intracoins to public cash or coins (with management approval^) to buy more pens. You work for intra-coins, and at some point you convert it to cash or public coins. Not sure if the overhead of these micro-transactions are worth it, on the other hand, conglomerates of companies could exist. But the intra-coins have real value, because management will convert them to proper cash or public cryptocoins. The key is making sure an employee can't just cash out with intra-coins somewhere else and quit.

^ the key here is that things can be monitored and controlled on a sped-up blockchain, while still allowing a market mechanism to take place. Perhaps pens isn't the best example, more like certain factors of production.

The more I think about it, the more useful this seems to be. Especially attaching notes to transactions, and mining all coins instantly, and management dishing them out as needed. Perhaps creating more if needed. If the company is running low on cash, it can adjust the exchange rate, so the coins are worth less. If the company is doing well, the value of the coins goes up. This also gives the firm incentive to do well and be efficient, especially if staff are paid in intra-coins.

Companies have intranets, why not intracoins?

Re: Coinbase Crosses 650,000 Users

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There is no central controlling authority you need to trust to not seize your digital currency.

Which has not traditionally been an issue when "sending money to grandma."

Suddenly, your grandmother does not live in the same country as you.

Have fun sending money to grandma.

Re: Coinbase Crosses 650,000 Users

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post #64

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Which has not traditionally been an issue when "sending money to grandma."

Suddenly, your grandmother does not live in the same country as you. Have fun sending money to grandma.

Ok educate me, because I really don't know (my grandmothers both lived in the US): what's wrong with Western Union or PayPal for this purpose?

In many ways this simply moves the problem (overall complication) from a private sector solution much closer to a government solution because it means exchanging bitcoin for real currency will be intensely regulated and have its own fees associated with it.

And maybe someday bitcoin will be worth some monetary value other than the currencies you can exchange it for, but we are not near that.

Re: Coinbase Crosses 650,000 Users

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post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suddenly, your grandmother does not live in the same country as you. Have fun sending money to grandma.

Ok educate me, because I really don't know (my grandmothers both lived in the US): what's wrong with Western Union or PayPal for this purpose? In many ways this simply moves the problem (overall complication) from a private sector solution much closer to a government solution because it means exchanging bitcoin for real currency will be intensely regulated and have its own fees associated with it. And maybe someday b…

Well, one potential advantage: Bitcoin removes consumer protection, which allows an exchange to operate at much lower rates. Part of PayPal's difficulty as a business is dealing with the constant amount of fraud. With BTC, the consumer bears the problems.

However, the remittance industry makes an obscene amount of money mainly because it's about marketing services in a retail place to unsophisticated consumers. Once you start trying to compete with retail stores, and comply with regulations, it won't be as competitive.

Re: Coinbase Crosses 650,000 Users

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Congrats. Now, deal with the guy who gave you 35k and in return you gave him _nothing_. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6929705

They did. Before you even posted this.

Their "dealing" with it was "oops, we rebooted a server and forgot to make sure transactions were run, here's $50 and enjoy your delayed trade".

After screwing up that badly they should have cancelled the order. Instead, they delivered coins paid for at $800+ at today's prices (~$500). I would be surprised, if BTC had jumped to $5000, if they'd have honored the $800 buy price.

The $50 credit is just inane, too. It's more of an insult to offer $50 than to offer no $ and a good apology. I'm not sure how they came to that decision.

Given their funding, they should have immediately taken full responsibility (let's be clear: a financial company's transactions didn't run cause they rebooted something...) and then offered to complete at the original price, or cancel the transaction - truly make the buyer whole. It'd be totally fine for them to do so, because if they fix their stuff, they won't need to worry about "jobs not running". So in this case, even giving the guy a 10% bonus would engender goodwill, as well as show the world they are serious about handling transactions.

I'll resist any snide remarks about Coinbase using MongoDB.

Edit: It seems after further consideration, they decided to give him today's price since it was their mistake.

Re: Coinbase Crosses 650,000 Users

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post #55

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walked across the border with a thumbdrive of bitcoins/litecoins/??coins. What about walking across the border with the account credentials of a WoW character with a lot of gold? intranet of cryptocoins for budgeting and spending. Is there a way to make a "trusted bitcoin" for internal use only where you don't have to do all the computation? I guess at that point it could just be a centralized Excel spreadsheet for a…

You're not thinking too deeply. I think a company could use an intra-blockchain to run a micro-economy within it. Transactions take place that enable it to function. Also, there is an interface between intra and public blockchains. If your department wants pens, it must buy it internally from the Supplies department. At some point Supplies converts its intracoins to public cash or coins (with management approval^) to…

mining all coins instantly,

Ah, that's the part I was unsure about. Setting up a new block chain and instantly collecting all coin issuance sets up a lot of nice use cases.

Yes, that's amazing. If bitcoin ever does become widely accepted, it'll be because a new chain of coins is used that have been 100% mined by a private party (or government) handing them out.

When I was at IBM, each manager had fake "Blue Bucks" they used for internal cross-departmental services (moving a cubicle cost $100 "blue bucks," getting a new ethernet drop cost $50 "blue bucks," etc).

Re: Coinbase Crosses 650,000 Users

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post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suddenly, your grandmother does not live in the same country as you. Have fun sending money to grandma.

Ok educate me, because I really don't know (my grandmothers both lived in the US): what's wrong with Western Union or PayPal for this purpose? In many ways this simply moves the problem (overall complication) from a private sector solution much closer to a government solution because it means exchanging bitcoin for real currency will be intensely regulated and have its own fees associated with it. And maybe someday b…

Sending $100 to Grandma via Western Union? Be prepared to spend $15-$20 for the privilege.

Or if you want to go the bank route, be prepared to drop $12-$30 for an international wire (depending on your bank). Oh, and she might have to pay a $15-$30 receiving fee for an incoming international wire, depending on her country and bank.

At first, Paypal seems a little better -- only about $4.50 that you have to pay from your end. But Grandma still has to pay $2.50, and god help her if she needs any help from customer service. And then she still has to withdraw money to her bank account, since most international banks still charge up to $5-$10 for this. So in toto, Paypal might actually the two of you combined about the same amount as Western Union.

Re: Coinbase Crosses 650,000 Users

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean "a system of money in general use in a particular country" (Oxford). Yeah definitely not a mainstream currency yet. That's why we use the polite term "alternative currency" which is short for "a system of money in limited use across many countries."

But it's still not a currency, kind of like how "alternative medicine" isn't really medicine.

> But it's still not a currency, kind of like how "alternative medicine" isn't really medicine.

All you're proving there is how educated people like ourselves don't take alternative medicines seriously (and for good reason too). However technically that example is actually countering your point since the "alternative" prefix just signifies another style of; such as "alternative music" is still music.

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