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Re: oDesk to merge with Elance

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As long as oDesk does not change at all, I'm happy. The only reason I hire on oDesk is because it is NOT elance - have had horrible experience with elance both with providers and the company itself and how it conducts business (or what it calls business). Although this is called a merger, it is only that in name. It seems elance's CEO will call the shots. https://www.odesk.com/blog/2013/12/mergerfaq/ "Who will lead t…

As long as it's not Freelancer I'm fine.

Re: oDesk to merge with Elance

#52
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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

out of curiosity, how exactly does the blackmailing on oDesk work?

Not directly related but shit like this really scares me away from these sites and make me lose some faith in humanity (look at the client's history): https://www.odesk.com/o/jobs/job/Artist-Needed-for-Home-Page... He's basically selling ratings. 147 jobs — which would usually cost you at least $200+ each — done for $829 total!

Yeah. Elance / oDesk aren't incentivized to prevent this behaviour. They want a site that looks busy, and full of "high-quality" / highly rated contractors.

They could easily allow for filters to weed, though instead they allow for details to be hidden.

Re: oDesk to merge with Elance

#53
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The only problem with odesk is the ridiculous fees for a contract to hire scenario . Their rules is something like 10% of their salary for 2yrs iirc. Head hunter industry standard is something like 10% for 6mos ?

How does that work? The client specifically notifies odesk that they're making a hire, and they charge the freelancer 10%? When does he have to pay?

Re: oDesk to merge with Elance

#54
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

out of curiosity, how exactly does the blackmailing on oDesk work?

Something as simple as the contractor wont provide you with the full code until you leave a 5 star rating.

Or just the final code or maybe have access to your servers or other assets - and without a full security check / wipe, you can't know if they created a way in - or they threaten to release your code publicly, or sell it, etc..

Re: oDesk to merge with Elance

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not directly related but shit like this really scares me away from these sites and make me lose some faith in humanity (look at the client's history): https://www.odesk.com/o/jobs/job/Artist-Needed-for-Home-Page... He's basically selling ratings. 147 jobs — which would usually cost you at least $200+ each — done for $829 total!

Surely that guy isn't selling ratings, as he's the client so he's the guy paying the low fees - presumably to get work (just cheap work), otherwise why would he spend $829 just to give contractors ratings. (Unless there's more going on than meets the eye, for example behind the scenes he's selling the chance to get a positive rating for more than he pays on the site.)

Or the company via a different means is paying this "person" more money than he is spending, to make it look legitimate -- the only loss then is the fee (%) that Elance / oDesk takes, which further incentivizes Elance / oDesk to allow this behaviour, though that is minor in comparison to having a lot of "high quality" / highly rated contractors on their platform.

Re: oDesk to merge with Elance

#56

I sincerely hope this doesn't affect the thousands of families making a living working off of oDesk. This change will have real effects on REAL people, let's hope they are all positive. :)

Are there certain people who aren't allowed to work on Elance who work on oDesk?

Re: oDesk to merge with Elance

#57

With vworker first being absorbed by freelancer and now this, there's a decided lack of competition developing in this market. I think these guys know that a startup will struggle to compete, getting the critical mass of devs and employers is the same problem as starting a social network. I share the view that ODesk quality is an order of magnitude better than elance, I think only those using elance will being thinki…

I've had opposite experience in general. It's all about hiring well. The problem is that hiring well shouldn't be using the "high ratings" that contractors have - it shouldn't be used to determine who you hire.

Re: oDesk to merge with Elance

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My experience is with hiring technical freelancers: design, network, security, development, etc. It is entirely possible that elance is great for non-technical jobs. The issues I ran into were providers who have great ratings but who can't do the job! Later I found out that elance has a loophole where buyers who disputed or cancelled projects are not able to leave feedback. So you're not getting the full story when y…

> Later I found out that elance has a loophole where buyers who disputed or cancelled projects are not able to leave feedback. That is not correct. You can dispute a project and as long as the freelancer received a single dollar for any work, you can leave feedback. Why should you be allowed to leave feedback if there hasn't been any payment made? There are just as many clowns on the client side, as there are on the…

Yes, it is absolutely correct. A provider can waste my time, lock me into dispute resolution and even if I "win" and get a full refund, I can't leave public feedback so that the next buyer knows how shitty they are.

I won't even touch the non sequitur about India.

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