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The NSA: An Inside View

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Re: The NSA: An Inside View

#151
post #7

These guys just don't get it. They're always saying the same thing "we don't want to look at it." I want to scream "well maybe someday you will, and then you'll have it collected already." What a dense mind, and I am not all inclined to insult people in fact I hate it, but in this case it is well deserved.

They've also been saying "and we're not allowed to look at it without a court order, either." The laws and authorities that allow them to conduct their activities were all written by elected representatives. You can say the NSA might someday want to look at it, but it's kind of equivalent to asking what the point of having a constitution and laws is if they might changed sometime in the future.

Re: The NSA: An Inside View

#153

No offense to OP, but this reads like propaganda to me. It feels like someone at the Pentagon realized they weren't winning the war of the minds of hackers, so they encouraged some of their own to blog about their experiences. I hate to sound like a tin hat wearing conspiracist. I really do. But I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of concerted effort by the NSA to encourage a dialogue with hackers on platf…

No offense taken. I was not asked to write this, nor guided in its contents by the government.

Oh ok then. Stupid of me to think otherwise.

Re: The NSA: An Inside View

#154
post #8

Thank you so much, kind American intelligence guy, for having the grace to not look at USA citizens emails, all the while not even mentioning foreigners, who should apparently just lie down and take it.

Do you think the US (& friends) is the only one doing (or at least trying) to do this?

"Other people are committing unethical acts, therefore it is ok for me to do the same"

Re: The NSA: An Inside View

#155
If you are not a terrorist or a foreign government official or work for a large corporation or bank or travel or communicate with people in certain countries or use certain keywords in your communications you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

Re: The NSA: An Inside View

#156
What do you think of the NSA tapping datacenter traffic, gaining access to company source code, passwords, and everything else companies incorrectly assumed wouldn't be sniffed? Was that justified? How do you know that data didn't get into the wrong hands, other than assuming every coworker was trustworthy.

Re: The NSA: An Inside View

#157
It's quite interesting to me that someone who has worked for the NSA can write such an article and not have heard of William Binney and Thomas Drake's experience with the NSA. Ethical, upstanding people my ass.

Re: The NSA: An Inside View

#158
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree this is a very weak justification. But it plausibly is just what a purports to be - a portrait of the mentality of a rank and file NSA employee (I don't see any evidence that he's even "mid-ranking" if "mid" means middle management). That mentality seems to be a fusion of "surveillance doesn't matter if you have nothing to hide" and "America is under siege". The thing is, it is good that the NSA has a lot of…

Be careful what you wish for. The True Believers are the most dangerous. Cynics are more connected to reality.

The most dangerous are the Cynics who pretend to be True Believers, they are the prophets who know damn well that the eschaton isn't here but that there will be money to be made in the reconstruction. Some folk don't mind how small the pile is as long as they can stay near the top of it.

Re: The NSA: An Inside View

#160
post #37

Interesting to get a look at what it's like to be inside the bubble. It's compartmentalized enough that the individual actors can justify their actions by the assumed competence and benevolence of the others. > I didn't test it, but I'm sure there was automated analysis that prevented or flagged use of US selectors. The mental leap here is subtle, but substantial. Since I have been told I can't use US selectors , I a…

> The mental leap here is subtle, but substantial. Since I have been told I can't use US selectors , I assume the system enforces this. As such, US citizens have nothing to worry about.

For the life of me I cannot figure out why people refuse to accept the concept of training and policy as being relevant to proper civil liberties safeguards in addition to technical ones.

Imagine applying that idea to any other field, and keep in mind the unintended consequences.

For instance consider from a soldier's perspective "Since I've been told I can't shoot citizens or non-combatants, I assume the system enforces this. As such, US citizens and non-combatants have nothing to worry about." And yet our troops do have issued firearms (at least during things like field exercises and training), and the republic has not fallen to a coup. There are missile siloes dotted throughout the Midwest, yet no rogue junior officers or missileers have launched ICBMs at people.

You're missing his greater point, which seems to be that it didn't even occur to him to "test the interlock" since he knew that by law and by policy, it was wrong to even try. He also made quite clear (if you'd bother to read to the end instead of cherry-picking quotes to declaim) that this doesn't mean such technical controls can't or shouldn't be strengthed, merely that there is indeed a "culture of compliance" among the analysts instead of a bunch of voyeurs.

> > one employee spied on a spouse

> So much for automated analysis, besides not being able to filter out US citizens' data it can't even filter out an employee's direct family. But there's no need to worry citizen, the NSA has a very high-quality workforce.

Is it really your claim that a workforce must be 100% perfect in every way for an organization to be legitimate? Even the anarchists don't try to claim that there won't eventually be murderers amongst them, nor is there anywhere else in the real world where spouses are always exceptionally nice to each other in everything they do. Just ask Ashley Madison.

> The most technologically advanced intelligence agency in the history of the world and they have no idea what files were electronically taken by one of their own.

They also haven't solved the Halting Problem.

But anyways I know I'm going to be speaking to an uncooperative crowd but perhaps you all should consider the high-level points of his "peek inside" and then discuss the ramifications of that, instead of always drilling down into the weeds. Many of the same arguments used here could be used with equal logic toward every large civilian IT concern, which would tend to devastate the need for things like YC capital. :P

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