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Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation

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Post by skinnycow »

aclevernickname wrote: post #223
venomsnake wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, call a person that sincerely tries for the last 3 months to move to Linux as a daily driver armchair critic. I could live with slightly wooden DE, I could live with the fact that my speakers are buzzing while there are phones connected. The only real dealbreaker is lack of decent file search in Linux. I want something that delivers the speed of search of Everything and has realtime update. No luck so far.

Yeah, you've never used KDE before.

Pretty clearly, too. Nepomuk+KRunner sounds like it would meet a large number of the criteria specified.

Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation

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Post by erpellan »

stinkytaco wrote: post #50
terabytest wrote: post #8

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OS X is not a good platform for gaming. It has a significantly smaller user base of which only an even more significantly smaller are gamers. Playing on a MacBook (or at least on my MacBook) is impossible, and I wouldn't buy an iMac for gaming. On the other hand, you can put Linux on anything (for free!), from your mom's 2002 pc to the latest generation hot stuff. This means there is indeed a potential, and somebody…

You seem to be contradicting yourself. Gaming doesn't work on OS X because it has too small a user base, but Linux's user base is much smaller. Playing on a Macbook is impossible (presumably for performance reasons?), but you talk about putting Linux on a 2002 PC for gaming. And Linux may or may not run on the latest generation hot stuff, depending on how much time you want to spend to get your newest graphics card w…

The difference here is that every Windows user is a potential Linux user. They just need to download and install some free software. The platform fragmentation is precisely the same as it is on Windows and is largely a solved problem.

Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation

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Post by archagon »

nemothekid wrote: post #207
adamors wrote: post #185

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There's nothing wrong with gaming laptops, it's just that both their performance and the experience they provide pales in comparison to a PC. (A PC that costs less, mind you.) I mean, you cannot realistically say that you can have an immersive experience on a 15 inch, 1600x900 monitor when it comes to graphically intensive games. Also, with CPU bound games like Arma overclocking can result in a difference of 15-20 fp…

I can't seem to load up the steam hw surveys for the various different video cards, but it would be interesting to see how many users are running at or below the latest MBP specs.

I can't get it either, but look here:

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1748747

The top video card is Intel HD Graphics 3000 and Intel GPUs make up 12% of the list.

Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation

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Post by adamors »

skinnycow wrote: post #192
venomsnake wrote: post #181

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Unity, KDE, LXDE, XFCE, Cinnamon, Mate, Gnome 3, and I have tried to just go with openbox and Tint2. First - it is different than windows is absolutely valid complaint. Having to tweak muscle memory is highly unpleasant. A single problem with KDE - windows key cannot be mapped to show the start menu without extension. Second is that all the taskbars that I found for it were just worse than the windows one in multimon…

>A single problem with KDE - windows key cannot be mapped to show the start menu without extension. AFAIK, that's an X limitation. Already fixed in KDE5/KF5/PW2. Very annoying though, I've retrained myself for Super+Space as my hotkey instead. >Second is that all the taskbars that I found for it were just worse than the windows one in multimonitor setup or ugly. Hm, not sure what's up there. My KDE setup is identical…

He probably never tried KDE or gave up after 5 minutes. I found that KDE's multi monitor setup is much better than Windows 7's, it's good to hear that in 8.1 you can have taskbars on every monitor.

Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation

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Post by adamors »

Touche wrote: post #205
adamors wrote: post #153

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Visit gaming forums, Steam discussion boards, Reddit etc.

To be fair you're not describing "people who play games", you're describing gaming enthusiasts.

I know, but IMO the bar is really low. If you have 10+ games in Steam you're pretty much an enthusiasts. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm mad about games ever since I played the first Doom on my father's 486.

In my view you're either a layperson who plays Candy Crush or iOS games or you know about Steam and GOG and the sky is the limit.

Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation

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Post by nullsoldier »

stinkytaco wrote: post #50
terabytest wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OS X is not a good platform for gaming. It has a significantly smaller user base of which only an even more significantly smaller are gamers. Playing on a MacBook (or at least on my MacBook) is impossible, and I wouldn't buy an iMac for gaming. On the other hand, you can put Linux on anything (for free!), from your mom's 2002 pc to the latest generation hot stuff. This means there is indeed a potential, and somebody…

You seem to be contradicting yourself. Gaming doesn't work on OS X because it has too small a user base, but Linux's user base is much smaller. Playing on a Macbook is impossible (presumably for performance reasons?), but you talk about putting Linux on a 2002 PC for gaming. And Linux may or may not run on the latest generation hot stuff, depending on how much time you want to spend to get your newest graphics card w…

Nothing about what he said sounds contradictory to me. In short, what I gained from reading his post is that OSX is small and it doesn't have room to grow to host a gaming population because it's expensive and the hardware doesn't lend itself to gaming. One does not simply just build a mac gaming machine for a reasonable amount of money. On the other hand, he's saying Linux does have that potential because it's cheap and pushes by certain distros have made it much easier to use.

Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation

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Post by JungleGymSam »

Skoofoo wrote: post #125
kayoone wrote: post #7

While this is great, its a bit sad that Valve is mostly doing all of this now, because they fear losing their dominance on windows to the native Store in Win 8.x In the end its a win-win for everyone if it works out, just their motives are questionable.

Before Windows 8, Valve seemingly couldn't care less about Linux! It bothers me how Valve tries to make itself out to be Linux's best friend nowadays. They also talk about open source a lot despite them ever releasing only proprietary software.

So because the ice cream truck was late to reach your house, and used to only sell frozen yogurt, you don't want ice cream anymore?

Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation

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Post by yapcguy »

Finster wrote: post #211
Mikeb85 wrote: post #208

I must say, I'm surprised by how many naysayers there are, considering Gabe thinks Linux is the future of gaming. There really is no technical reason why this can't happen, we just need to make it happen...

Agreed. After years of haranguing Nvidia, for example, it wasn't until Valve started pushing linux gaming that Nvidia FINALLY started clearing the air a bit on their atrocious driver support. Valve has a lot of influence in PC gaming. Whether it's enough to raise linux as a preferred platform for PC gaming, only time will tell, but I hope it does.

Developers (should) prefer using Linux over OS X.

Mac gaming languishes like it always has.

Pro video users have jumped shipped (still waiting for the new Mac Pro sometime this month, 18 months after Tim Cook teased folks after WWDC, years after any serious update)

What future OS X?!

Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation

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Post by stormbrew »

yapcguy wrote: post #238
Finster wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. After years of haranguing Nvidia, for example, it wasn't until Valve started pushing linux gaming that Nvidia FINALLY started clearing the air a bit on their atrocious driver support. Valve has a lot of influence in PC gaming. Whether it's enough to raise linux as a preferred platform for PC gaming, only time will tell, but I hope it does.

Developers (should) prefer using Linux over OS X. Mac gaming languishes like it always has. Pro video users have jumped shipped (still waiting for the new Mac Pro sometime this month, 18 months after Tim Cook teased folks after WWDC, years after any serious update) What future OS X?!

Pro video users have jumped ship from Macs? To what?

Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation

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Post by int0c »

venomsnake wrote: post #66
ds_ wrote: post #17

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What's broken about it?

Well linux have 10 main desktop managers that are under development right now. Each and every one of them does roughly 80% of what I want from a desktop. And I have uncomfortable experience on all.

And Windows does 100% of what you want from a desktop?
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