Metadata surveillance is the backbone of drone assassinations. Without it, they wouldn't be possible. They first find out when the person to be assassinated is located, and then send the drone.
NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show
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#32So the deal modern man was presented with was this: we'll give you instant global communication for pennies, but in return governments and corporations will closely monitor everyone on the planet: where they are, who they call, how long the call is, their texts, messages, and other communications -- basically their thoughts. We'll record this forever to use as we choose. Trust us. As a global population, we seem to h…
Sure you can! Join the 60% of the world's population that _don't use the internet at all_. Or the 20% of the population of the _US_ that don't use the internet. You can even still use a cell phone, if you want - just buy a prepaid mobile with cash. And aside from awkwardness with your friends, you might even find such a life quite livable. You'll experience no material hardship.
Also do not use any kind of phone.
Do not appear on any camera/picture.
Do not purchase anything with any kind of card.
Do not drive a car (License plate recognition systems are getting scary.)
Etc...
Re: NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show
#33So the deal modern man was presented with was this: we'll give you instant global communication for pennies, but in return governments and corporations will closely monitor everyone on the planet: where they are, who they call, how long the call is, their texts, messages, and other communications -- basically their thoughts. We'll record this forever to use as we choose. Trust us. As a global population, we seem to h…
We need an Internet that is secure by default. The Application layer security is a mess, and has a vast number of ways to attack and break that encryption level. We need to encrypt every packet on the web at the Transport layer or even the IP layer.
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#34Anytime something bad happens I'm going to ask why the NSA didn't stop it. Paul Walkers death... why didn't the NSA stop it? PS4 DOA orders...why didn't the NSA stop it? Psychboo finding Prezi's source code... why didn't the NSA stop it?
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure you can! Join the 60% of the world's population that _don't use the internet at all_. Or the 20% of the population of the _US_ that don't use the internet. You can even still use a cell phone, if you want - just buy a prepaid mobile with cash. And aside from awkwardness with your friends, you might even find such a life quite livable. You'll experience no material hardship.
Citation needed on the 20% of the population of the US that doesn't use the internet. Is there even 20% of the US population outside of 100 miles from the shore? Also, you can't use a cellphone without them knowing who you are with high certainty. It only takes 3 points of location data to identify a person the vast majority of the time[1]. Using a cell phone that you paid for with cash is insufficient. [1] http://ww…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_...
So actually 19%, yes.
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#36WP ddoes not appear to have released the source documents. That makes it hard to trust that these reports are complete w.r.t. what the documents reveal.
If we're very lucky the NSA will call the Post's bluff, and we'll get to see the source docs.
Re: NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show
#37Anytime something bad happens I'm going to ask why the NSA didn't stop it. Paul Walkers death... why didn't the NSA stop it? PS4 DOA orders...why didn't the NSA stop it? Psychboo finding Prezi's source code... why didn't the NSA stop it?
You say this in jest, but they may have opened a can of worms here. Some defendant in a criminal case in Florida subpoenaed his NSA file in his defense. It would sure be interesting to see if this location data can be used as exculpatory evidence to acquit somebody, or if it would even be available. It would be very hard to stomach if that type of information is only available to convict, not exonerate.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google Maps does this. The only difference is that Google informs you before you turn on location services.
It's not the only difference. Other differences that come to mind: Google has yet to kill people with drones or send people to torture prisons in Egypt.
The NSA doesn't run operations, so they didn't do either of these things either.
It's a big government.
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#39Meta topic, but it seems kind of rude to link to the print page. The washington post is already a very readable site, If i don't want ads, i'll use adblock.
What's rude is pointless pagination and sidebars.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
And that Google isn't limited by the Constitution in the ways that the Federal government supposedly is.
>And that Google isn't limited by the Constitution I'm pretty sure it is...
In what way? The Constitution creates the federal government and restricts it's actions.