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For what it's worth my macbookpro runs Dota2 without complaint.
My 2011 Macbook Air runs Portal perfectly.
That's a 2007 game.
Valve joins the Linux Foundation
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Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation
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> Gaming doesn't work on OS X because it has too small a user base, but Linux's user base is much smaller. There's an estimated 20 million Ubuntu users worldwide, probably another 10 million or so of other Linux distros. Not to mention, Linux (and thus Steam OS) is easily installed. Adoption isn't a problem. Gaming on OSX doesn't work as well as on a PC because you can't put OSX on custom hardware. > As an aside, Lin…
> Gaming on OSX doesn't work as well as on a PC because you can't put OSX on custom hardware. ...What? That's a complete non sequitur. There are high-end and low-end Macs, just as with anything else, and high-end Macs play games just as well as high-end Windows boxes. And of course you can put OSX on custom hardware, it's just not a popular option. > You sound like an iOS developer. It's not like every Windows PC has…
> high-end Macs play games just as well as high-end Windows boxes
Are you joking? Because even $2000 iMacs come with mobile GPUs. Not to mention CPUs that cannot be overclocked etc.
That's comparable to a high-end gaming laptop, not a PC.
Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation
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> Gaming doesn't work on OS X because it has too small a user base, but Linux's user base is much smaller. There's an estimated 20 million Ubuntu users worldwide, probably another 10 million or so of other Linux distros. Not to mention, Linux (and thus Steam OS) is easily installed. Adoption isn't a problem. Gaming on OSX doesn't work as well as on a PC because you can't put OSX on custom hardware. > As an aside, Lin…
Not to mention, Linux (and thus Steam OS) is easily installed. I updated my desktop to Linux Mint 16 today and discovered that neither Steam nor Wine will install on it. Steam seems to be supported on Ubuntu 12.10 (although it does work on 13.04).
I updated to Linux Mint 16 a few days ago, and my Steam and Wine installations are working just fine.
Edit: But, yes LM 16 is little buggy, but its perfectly usable and I am sure the bugs will be ironed out in subsequent updates.
Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation
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Will it run in a Windows VM on Linux?
photoshop is slow enough natively. Running in a VM might be good enough if you use it occasionally, but for people who use it daily I doubt it.
And why would you go that far out of your way if PS it's your primary tool? What would you gain by having a Linux box around your Photoshop install?
Once you strip away specialized tool suits and programs that actually sit on top of the OS, most users just need sound, mouse, keyboard, and monitor support so they can run chrome or firefox. Most OSs handle this just fine, so the real deciding factor in your OS should be the tool chain you need to run.
It's so backwards and kludgy to pick your os then try make your toolchain work on top of it.
Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation
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Not to mention, Linux (and thus Steam OS) is easily installed. I updated my desktop to Linux Mint 16 today and discovered that neither Steam nor Wine will install on it. Steam seems to be supported on Ubuntu 12.10 (although it does work on 13.04).
Your problem is using Linux Mint... Both Steam and Wine work perfectly on Ubuntu 13.10 (I'm running both on my 13.10 laptop).
Others have gotten it working on Mint just fine. You're not exactly helping dispel the image of Linux being an exclusive club for circlejerking.
Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation
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I'm not sure what you mean about video and sound. OpenGL is first class on Linux distros, sound is almost exclusively pulseaudio now...and X11 is on its way out, hopefully it'll be dead to most desktop users within a small number of years.
Video on dual-screen setups is a bit wonky. Yes it's my fault for using crappy proprietary ATI drivers but try to explain that to someone new to Linux. I have two issues with sound: 1) Sticking my headphone connector to my laptop's headphone jack does not work. I have to reboot in order to get headphone sound (works on Windows). 2) Connecting my PC to my TV via HDMI and playing a YouTube video ... Last time I heard a…
I'm curious when the last time you tried Linux was? I used to have these issues in 2011 which is why I stuck with OSX, but now I use Linux exclusively because these problems are non-existent now.
Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation
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What's broken about it?
Well linux have 10 main desktop managers that are under development right now. Each and every one of them does roughly 80% of what I want from a desktop. And I have uncomfortable experience on all.
What's a desktop manager? I know about desktop environments, of which there seem to be 4-5 for Linux, and I know about window managers, of which there are many, thankfully.
Please list the "10 main desktop managers" so I can familiarize myself with them. Thanks.
Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation
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> because it has too small a user base Maybe we should instead speak to potential user base. For OSX, the potential userbase is always whoever has the money to buy extremely pricey Apple hardware, at least if you want to game on it, since getting a competent gpu almost always requires the rest of the components be really pricey. For Linux, it is the sum total of all PCs out there with compatible hardware and firmware…
>For OSX, the potential userbase is always whoever has the money to buy extremely pricey Apple hardware, at least if you want to game on it, since getting a competent gpu almost always requires the rest of the components be really pricey. But the kind of gaming that Linux lacks is the kind that need pricey components. I can play Organ Trail or World of Goo on Linux right now. If I want to play COD, I'm going to need…
> something substantial
Not really. More like $4-500.
For a price of a "next gen" console you can build a PC that can run modern games at 1080p. Granted, not the highest settings but even that is achievable for less than $1000.
Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation
#169While this is great, its a bit sad that Valve is mostly doing all of this now, because they fear losing their dominance on windows to the native Store in Win 8.x In the end its a win-win for everyone if it works out, just their motives are questionable.
Well, their motives aren't sinister , which is all you can really want or hope for. In a capitalistic market, vanishingly few players will switch to Linux out of altruism. Which is perfectly fine, in my opinion. Everything is more predictable when each player acts in their own best interests. Then it's just a matter of understanding their incentives.
Yet, players could have some amount of foresight, and not wait untill MS actualy pushes a knife into their hearth (lucky Valve this one was dull) before trying to defend themselves.
Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation
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> antiquated X11 What does that mean? X11R7.7 was only released last year! How is that antiquated?
Wayland is being developed to specifically replace X11 the latter being based on antiquated principles.
You've just given me a fact I'm already well aware of ("Wayland is being developed...") and then restated that X11 is antiquated, but you've never given me a reason why you think that.
Do you actually know, or are you just repeating something you read somewhere but didn't really understand?