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Dell introduces 28" 4K Ultra HD Monitor for under $1K, shipping early 2014

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Awesome. I say this is a sign that the incumbent manufacturers are finally adapting to the heat brought on by Korean and Chinese newcomers. "Industry's most affordable Ultra HD monitor" is semantics. The Seiki 39" is still substantially cheaper, now at less than $500 on Amazon. Technically, that is a television, so I suppose "monitor" is a clever use of words by Dell. If Seiki drops an HDMI 2 version of their monitor…

You do realize that the guts in all of these monitors are either Korean or Chinese, right? All display manufacturers feed off of just a handful --quite literally a handful-- of OEM panel manufacturers. There is no real special sauce except in cases where an OEM, like Apple, pays for a run on a certain spec panel in exchange for exclusivity for a period of time and a guaranteed purchase of an agreed-upon volume of pan…

Fine, replace "manufacturer" in my original message with "brand."

1080 displays are commoditized, and have been for some time now.

2560x1600 displays were not commoditized for 8 years. The process has very recently started.

The incumbent brands did not want Ultra HD commoditized so quickly, as evidenced by the $4,000+ prices. Seiki dropped a small bomb on them with the $700 (now $500) 4K televisions. With luck, Ultra HD will be commoditized soon enough. Thank you, Seiki!

Re: Dell introduces 28" 4K Ultra HD Monitor for under $1K, shipping early 2014

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I wouldn't want to watch a movie at 30hz, or at 4k.

Aren't all movies at 30Hz or 24Hz? I don't think there are any mainstream releases at a higher FPS...

The Hobbit [1] is the only movie I can think of that is shot at a higher frame rate, it being shot at 48 fps.

[1] http://www.fastcocreate.com/1682085/will-the-hobbit-start-a-...

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Aren't all movies at 30Hz or 24Hz? I don't think there are any mainstream releases at a higher FPS...

The Hobbit [1] is the only movie I can think of that is shot at a higher frame rate, it being shot at 48 fps. [1] http://www.fastcocreate.com/1682085/will-the-hobbit-start-a-...

Very cool. I don't think it'll be distributable at 48fps though, at least not via blu-ray, which seems capped at 30fps by spec.

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You are right, of course. Current interfaces are not well suited to high-DPI large form-factor displays. But if we wait for interfaces to happen first, I worry the wait will be prolonged. Plus, if you gave me a 65" 400 DPI screen today, I would drop everything and immediately put it to use. I would set it up on a drafting-style standing desk and would enjoy extremely high-clarity text throughout my desktop user inter…

I'd drop everything for a 65" 400ppi display, of course, but I'd take a 24" 400ppi over a 65" 200ppi without even thinking about it.

Why? Just position the 65" one twice as far away and you have effectively the same pixel density with a bigger effective viewing area and less eye strain.

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> When you say you know people who can't handle a 30" monitor, do you mean that? They would refuse to use a 30" even if they were given one? I've only met a few people who are of that particular disposition, and I personally consider them odd. It's a weird self-flagellation or quasi-Luddism. Not at all. It's practicality. Close enough to read normal-sized text clearly, and the edges fade into peripheral vision; far e…

Very well. I'm only describing the people I know first-hand whom have said they are perfectly happy with small monitors. They are the same people who previously told me that TN LCDs were perfectly fine, and were content with convex CRTs before that. They didn't understand why I would complain about the low density iPad 2 LCD and didn't appreciate the appeal of high-DPI until they had a iPad 3 (or similar) in their ha…

I'm not a fan of alt-tabbing either. I use 4 20" displays currently because I like the convenience of maximizing something on one display. Don't you miss that with one big desktop?

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Unfortunately, the 28” is going to have the wrong pixel density to use with OS X in Retina mode. Non-Retina MacBooks start at 110 PPI. Cinema Displays have hovered around 100 PPI for about a decade, with the 27” Thunderbolt Display topping out at 109 PPI (same for its sister 27” iMac). At 28", a 3840 x 2160 panel has a PPI of 157, which, dividing by two to get the equivalent non-Retina PPI, comes to only 78.5, a redu…

Ugh. This is why true DPI independence in the OS is so important. There should be no such thing as a "wrong" pixel density.

Indeed. Acorn's RiscOS had resolution independence in the 80s with scalable fonts and icons being shipped as vector graphics; it's a pity everyone else is 30 years behind.

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I think current interfaces would fall over in a truly immersive environment; I find it too damn hard to keep track of all my windows and modals and popups and shit with 2x27"; if I was offered tomorrow a 65", 400ppi screen, I'd have a hard time setting up my work environment to match. Given that I'm not terribly happy about vast screen resolution with existing software, I'd much prefer smaller, higher-PQ, super-high…

You are right, of course. Current interfaces are not well suited to high-DPI large form-factor displays. But if we wait for interfaces to happen first, I worry the wait will be prolonged. Plus, if you gave me a 65" 400 DPI screen today, I would drop everything and immediately put it to use. I would set it up on a drafting-style standing desk and would enjoy extremely high-clarity text throughout my desktop user inter…

"Current interfaces are not well suited to high-DPI large form-factor displays."

Actually, a simple, tiling window manager (ion3, ratpoison, OSX with SizeUP) does just fine.

I am running triple u3011 monitors with OSX Leopard, running Sizeup, and its basically like having 10 small, no-bezel displays in front of me (left and right screens are split into a quad, and middle screen is split down the middle).

Lose the gratuitous candy-UI elements and it all works just fine :)

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50" for my desktop. What? Most people I know can't even handle the current 30" monitors. It feels nicer having two 27" monitors from a not-grossly-exceeding-peripheral-vision viewpoint.

I own the 50" Seiki and I use it as a desktop monitor. I need to modify my desk so I can move it further back but I'm getting used to the size. The lag due to 30hZ is a big drawback, my mousing accuracy is noticeably lower, but I can live with that. What I cannot live with is the fact that the monitor goes blank and then re-detects the HDMI signal all the time -- perhaps 25 times in the first few minutes and then onc…

Is this a driver problem of a QA issue?

I've been using 3 very cheap Korean IPS's for over a year now. Play rough with them and they break. Annoying, but acceptable knowing that I was saving a lot of money, getting the best image I'd ever had, and I'd be replacing them in 24 months anyways.

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