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Was this as ridiculous a pastiche of clichés when it was written in 1995 as it is now? Or did programmers really only start to have social lives, dislike permanent crunch mode and plan before coding in the last 20 years? It sounds to me like Card read through the Jargon file, i.e. the self-image of a considerably earlier subculture of programmers, took it at face value, added some hyperbole and wrote it up as a kind…
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It's just a fact that even people with repugnant beliefs about certain classes of people can still make complete sense in other domains.
Nobody disputes that. The question is, I believe, if we should enable them and elevate them. Giving Card a platform and indulging him validates his entire personal concept, not just the good parts. It's not only a matter of giving credit, it's about choosing where your content comes from. This person is still alive and relevant and subject to social acceptance. And even with dead people, we are reluctant to cite them…
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You should consider what you just wrote and and what it says about you.
One shouldn't feel obligated to be tolerant of intolerance expressed by people with power and privilege against those who have less power and privilege (like a wealthy, straight, white male attacking LGBTQ folks). That's a very common tactic of bigots to claim that being told they should stop oppressing people is oppressive toward them. Demanding an end to oppression is not oppressive toward those who currently benef…
The post I replied to, seemed to me to suggest that everthing OSC says about anything can be discounted because he is judged to be anti-gay.
We're not going to listen to him on anything from now on unless perhaps he recants and does penance for his sins
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You should consider what you just wrote and and what it says about you.
One shouldn't feel obligated to be tolerant of intolerance expressed by people with power and privilege against those who have less power and privilege (like a wealthy, straight, white male attacking LGBTQ folks). That's a very common tactic of bigots to claim that being told they should stop oppressing people is oppressive toward them. Demanding an end to oppression is not oppressive toward those who currently benef…
Judging all of someone's views as wrong because some of their views are wrong is foolish.
As for the article itself, I found it to be overly stereotypical and lacking in actual insight.
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We do, but that seems like a fairly off-topic comment in this case, since this is an article about software companies... What I also know is he's a pretty terrible writer - Ender's Game is fantastic, but the sequels are progressively worse and worse in a horrifying fashion that boggles the mind until you realise that OSC is someone who has a very, very basic understanding (or lack thereof) of human relationships and…
The reason why people don't pick up on Card's shit writing while reading Enders Game is because in Enders Game he substitutes "actually writing complex characters that develop as the story progresses" with "child characters who merely become less foolish as the story progresses" . It is a surprisingly common cop-out, making a character a child is a great way to disguise the fact that they only grow in one dimension.
In case you'd like to catch up on previous discussions of this, here are some of the previous submissions. The majority of the conversation and comments are on these: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1866486 (netjeff.com) : 45 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=552821 (carolyn.org): 23 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5372726 (zoion.com) : 14 comments There are also a few comments on some…
You've been doing these for a while, so: thank you for taking the time! It's just that I get the feeling your "job" should be done automatically by a sidebar or something ;) Seriously an automated element containing "previous discussions about this subject" would be a nice addition to HN.
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The difference here, is that it's not the 1800s, and OSC continues to not just hold, but evangelize his hateful positions. See: http://www.nauvoo.com/library/card-hypocrites.html for one of the reasons people find him repellent. Choice quote (after he had a chance to reflect on the response to his essay): "...it has become clearer and clearer to me, since writing this essay, that gay activism as a movement is no long…
How is that wrong again?! It is true that they are trying to gain legitimacy. It is no longer about rights but now it is about acceptance. The time has come now to the point where anyone who holds an anti-gay position is criticized and/or boycotted. Now we have not just reached giving gays equal treatment but making changes to accommodate a different lifestyle. The second point OSC makes is sourced in a discomfort fr…
edit: I'm not from the U.S. so I don't know everything as far as minority rights go over there. In my country there are laws agains racism, and they're trying to pass anti-homophobia laws too. I do have a problem with both of these, though, as anybody expressing a racist opinion can be simply jailed without bail. I find the U.S. stance on free speech much more... how do I put it... free?
In case you'd like to catch up on previous discussions of this, here are some of the previous submissions. The majority of the conversation and comments are on these: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1866486 (netjeff.com) : 45 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=552821 (carolyn.org): 23 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5372726 (zoion.com) : 14 comments There are also a few comments on some…
You've been doing these for a while, so: thank you for taking the time! It's just that I get the feeling your "job" should be done automatically by a sidebar or something ;) Seriously an automated element containing "previous discussions about this subject" would be a nice addition to HN.
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The difference here, is that it's not the 1800s, and OSC continues to not just hold, but evangelize his hateful positions. See: http://www.nauvoo.com/library/card-hypocrites.html for one of the reasons people find him repellent. Choice quote (after he had a chance to reflect on the response to his essay): "...it has become clearer and clearer to me, since writing this essay, that gay activism as a movement is no long…
How is that wrong again?! It is true that they are trying to gain legitimacy. It is no longer about rights but now it is about acceptance. The time has come now to the point where anyone who holds an anti-gay position is criticized and/or boycotted. Now we have not just reached giving gays equal treatment but making changes to accommodate a different lifestyle. The second point OSC makes is sourced in a discomfort fr…
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The difference here, is that it's not the 1800s, and OSC continues to not just hold, but evangelize his hateful positions. See: http://www.nauvoo.com/library/card-hypocrites.html for one of the reasons people find him repellent. Choice quote (after he had a chance to reflect on the response to his essay): "...it has become clearer and clearer to me, since writing this essay, that gay activism as a movement is no long…
How is that wrong again?! It is true that they are trying to gain legitimacy. It is no longer about rights but now it is about acceptance. The time has come now to the point where anyone who holds an anti-gay position is criticized and/or boycotted. Now we have not just reached giving gays equal treatment but making changes to accommodate a different lifestyle. The second point OSC makes is sourced in a discomfort fr…