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Re: Dear Spike Lee

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Post by mikeg8 »

gkoberger wrote: post #13

Seems weird he mentioned Spike Lee (who did nothing wrong, as far as I can tell) so many times, but didn't name the agency. Seems to hurt the wrong party's reputation. Additionally, he has no apparent way to contact him. EDIT: I really don't want to point fingers with 0 proof, but Spike Lee happens to be CEO of an ad agency named Spike DDB. https://twitter.com/SpikeDDB

Spike contracted the agency, (or so it seems from a forwarded email) and he has the most control over the agency. I think by not publicly mentioning the agency's name, this gentlemen is demonstrating his desire to resolve this situation amicably and with integrity.

Re: Dear Spike Lee

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Post by kaonashi »

neeee wrote: post #33
kaonashi wrote: post #27

They didn't seem to use his comps… I'm assuming he had access to the same pool of photography that the finals used, but that doesn't mean they ripped him off. The work on top of the photos seems very different to me.

Read the entire article. They posted his comps on their facebook page.

Right that is true. I guess showing the official posters as a cheap sympathy ploy rubbed me the wrong way.

Re: Dear Spike Lee

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Post by bryne »

gkoberger wrote: post #13

Seems weird he mentioned Spike Lee (who did nothing wrong, as far as I can tell) so many times, but didn't name the agency. Seems to hurt the wrong party's reputation. Additionally, he has no apparent way to contact him. EDIT: I really don't want to point fingers with 0 proof, but Spike Lee happens to be CEO of an ad agency named Spike DDB. https://twitter.com/SpikeDDB

I think it's prudent given that while the agency apparently lowballed him, it's not clear whether the agency or Spike Lee's production company (40 Acres And A Mule Filmworks, appearing on the posters in question on his Facebook page) are the party actually responsible for the theft/misappropriation.

Re: Dear Spike Lee

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Post by icebraining »

res0nat0r wrote: post #46
icebraining wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When did I agree to that?

You didn't if you downloaded it without paying, which is why it is illegal. Also you are undermining your own argument here if you support the OP's original "agreement" but not copyright to music / movies, when he explicitly states in the post: "We never signed any contracts or work-for-hire agreements and I certainly never agreed to donating or selling any copyright of my work without a licensing fee." So he should…

You didn't if you downloaded it without paying, which is why it is illegal.

So it's illegal to violate an agreement you didn't enter in? That makes no sense, sugar.

Let's test that: to read this post, you must agree to pay me 5BTC. Have you now committed an illegality? I guess not.

Also you are undermining your own argument here if you support the OP's original "agreement" but not copyright to music / movies, when he explicitly states in the post

He states that they had to written, explicit contact. Care to read my post again?

So he should expect to be paid for his work or it be protected, but musicians shouldn't?

Sure they should, by whoever has an (explicit or implicit) agreement to pay them. Thankfully I haven't, but I still like to reward them when I can for all the joy they brought me.

Re: Dear Spike Lee

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Post by coldtea »

nawitus wrote: post #34
bananacurve wrote: post #17

Where are the internet hippies saying everything should be free?

Believing that copyright shouldn't exist or should be limited from it's current status but contracts should be enforced is a completely valid position.

Only there weren't any contracts here. How about: "work should be conpensated" and "give it for free and make up in volume/exposure is BS"?

Re: Dear Spike Lee

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Post by danso »

batbomb wrote: post #21
danso wrote: post #8

Whew...I thought this was going to be an indictment of the Oldboy remake. Sure, the original was great, but I was interested in how an American director would handle the material. That said, this was probably not the kind of controversy Spike Lee needs attached to this project. side note: Roger Ebert's raving review of Oldboy was what got me to watch the original Oldboy and that spurred a whole new appreciation of in…

The entire vengeance trio is amazing, but I actually like Sympathy for Lady Vengeance the most. Park Chan-Wook's I'm a Cyborg, But That's OK is good too. You should check out Battle Royale if you liked Oldboy.

That's funny, I thought Mr. Vengeance was the best...artistically...whereas Lady Vengeance was the "safest" of the trio. Mr. Vengeance is astounding in its depths...however, it's not a movie I'd ever put in just for fun. In fact, I can't remember re-watching it after the first couple of times I saw it.

Re: Dear Spike Lee

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Post by res0nat0r »

icebraining wrote: post #54
res0nat0r wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn't if you downloaded it without paying, which is why it is illegal. Also you are undermining your own argument here if you support the OP's original "agreement" but not copyright to music / movies, when he explicitly states in the post: "We never signed any contracts or work-for-hire agreements and I certainly never agreed to donating or selling any copyright of my work without a licensing fee." So he should…

You didn't if you downloaded it without paying, which is why it is illegal. So it's illegal to violate an agreement you didn't enter in? That makes no sense, sugar. Let's test that: to read this post, you must agree to pay me 5BTC. Have you now committed an illegality? I guess not. Also you are undermining your own argument here if you support the OP's original "agreement" but not copyright to music / movies, when he…

> So it's illegal to violate an agreement you didn't enter in? That makes no sense, sugar.

Yes. Downloading an album or movie without paying for it is illegal. This isn't in dispute.

> He states that they had to written, explicit contact. Care to read my post again?

I read it, your prior post was very short. See my quote above directly from his blog post; there wasn't any contract.

Re: Dear Spike Lee

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Post by binarysolo »

gkoberger wrote: post #13

Seems weird he mentioned Spike Lee (who did nothing wrong, as far as I can tell) so many times, but didn't name the agency. Seems to hurt the wrong party's reputation. Additionally, he has no apparent way to contact him. EDIT: I really don't want to point fingers with 0 proof, but Spike Lee happens to be CEO of an ad agency named Spike DDB. https://twitter.com/SpikeDDB

Presumably his contract prevents him from discussing internal issues with any outside party.

(Knowledge source: Got totally screwed by a business partner via legalese and had all my work stolen, ended up doing half a year of work uncompensated, can't legally talk about it or the partner, and loss < cost of litigation. Ah well, water under bridge.)

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