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Re: About the Penny Arcade Job Posting

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Post by santoshalper »

hapless wrote: post #24
Lewisham wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you actually read the post? The ladder is about the ping pong league they run, and he's joking that it's not a benefit because he's not winning. He decided he preferred to get a lower salary for a job he enjoyed more. He said he can wear four hats because "The reality is that one highly motivated, highly skilled person can handle all of this. You do not need to be constantly working IT, or constantly managing ser…

I don't have to read much between the lines to interpret a strangled reference to losing at pingpong as a more literal expression of his status. He posted this on his current employer's public forum, after all.

You are totally and completely full of shit and a serious troll.

Re: About the Penny Arcade Job Posting

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Post by robdrimmie »

Pxtl wrote: post #45

They're rock-stars looking for a digital roadie. The roadie doesn't care he's abused because he's "with the band". They need to admit to themselves that they didn't treat the previous guy right for the kind of work he put in. Honestly, given PA's history I'm not surprised by this whole situation. They seem like a great bunch of guys who suffer from some serious Aspie-myopia about how life works for everybody outside…

Why is it "Aspie-myopia"? People with Aspergers are entirely capable of understanding that other people have different thoughts, expectations, emotions, minds. They sometimes (it's a spectrum which means that not all have the same symptoms) have difficulty understanding others' mental state from body language and other direct social clues but they understand that people have different opinions.

You are spreading misinformation, and potentially insulting people in a throw-away portion of your otherwise good point. You don't need to be on the spectrum to be myopic.

Re: About the Penny Arcade Job Posting

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Post by santoshalper »

hapless wrote: post #26
QuantumGood wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He fairly specifically says that interpretations such as yours are wrong. He specifically says: * No, the conditions are not awful...I love this company * No one here has been scammed into working as hard as they do, and the implication that we’re all blind fools with low self esteem for being here is honestly insulting. * There won’t be any taking advantage of starry-eyed young twenty-somethings. He explains why he'…

He says the conditions are not awful, then describes awful conditions. He says he's not leaving because he burned out, and then describes when he burned out. He very obviously loves the company, but it's not a healthy love.

Awful conditions for you.

Re: About the Penny Arcade Job Posting

#54

Post by macspoofing »

The one (and only) problem I had with the posting was this line:

>Salary: Negotiable, but you should know up front we’re not a terribly money-motivated group. We’re more likely to spend less money on salary and invest that on making your day-to-day life at work better.

That immediately jumped out at me. That came off so off-putting. If you're not a "money motivated group", that means you pay more, right, RIGHT? No, of course not. Again, the author probably didn't mean for it to come out the way it did, but it felt so sleazy, like they were trying to put one over the applicant. "We can't pay you a lot because we're not about money here". .. urgh.

All the other stuff about work-life balance and multiple roles, I didn't have a problem with. This job is made for a single 20-something guy or girl who wants to hang out with the penny-arcade crew, not someone with kids and a spouse.

Re: About the Penny Arcade Job Posting

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Post by arcosdev »

hapless wrote: post #24
Lewisham wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you actually read the post? The ladder is about the ping pong league they run, and he's joking that it's not a benefit because he's not winning. He decided he preferred to get a lower salary for a job he enjoyed more. He said he can wear four hats because "The reality is that one highly motivated, highly skilled person can handle all of this. You do not need to be constantly working IT, or constantly managing ser…

I don't have to read much between the lines to interpret a strangled reference to losing at pingpong as a more literal expression of his status. He posted this on his current employer's public forum, after all.

I don't think you're full of shit. I think you're onto something.

Re: About the Penny Arcade Job Posting

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Post by mkr-hn »

Avshalom wrote: post #50
wvenable wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. In a small company, everyone takes on multiple roles -- so why can't a single person be a programmer, web developer, system administrator? I've done that job many times. The only issue is if the workload is more than one person can handle. In this case, the work sounds like it's only slightly more than a one-person job and it's unfortunate he's not paid accordingly.

Penny Arcade is not a small company, it just plays one on TV.

The company is small. It's a handful of people in a small office. Influence is not closely tied to size with a business like PA.

Re: About the Penny Arcade Job Posting

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Post by itsameta4 »

wvenable wrote: post #32
jonknee wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... And they got it right . The employee confirmed what was in the job posting and what people had issues with (so many different roles, ridiculous hours, low pay, etc). It's not that hard: Want a programmer? Hire one. Want a web developer? Hire one. Want a system administrator? Hire one. Hire two if you have any type of 24/7 on call requirement (it's not remotely reasonable to expect one individual to be on call 24/…

I disagree. In a small company, everyone takes on multiple roles -- so why can't a single person be a programmer, web developer, system administrator? I've done that job many times. The only issue is if the workload is more than one person can handle. In this case, the work sounds like it's only slightly more than a one-person job and it's unfortunate he's not paid accordingly.

Penny Arcade is not a small company - at least it shouldn't be. That's what people are saying.

Re: About the Penny Arcade Job Posting

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Post by mhurron »

beachstartup wrote: post #28
Lewisham wrote: post #27

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i can't even begin to know what the fuck a 'volunteer' Enforcer is, especially for a profitable company. sounds like a 20 foot pile of horse shit. Why don't you try using Google and looking it up before angrily speculating? The Enforcer system is what the use at Penny Arcade Expo. It's a volunteer system to help run the event, and in return you get to attend things when you're not on the roster. It's no different to…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_Arcade_Expo that's funny, i didn't see "non-profit" or "charity" anywhere on this page. you guys should consider updating it. i am angry because there is an ongoing, systematic monetary devaluation (and hence social devaluation, dot com billionaires notwithstanding) of all technical roles by people in our own industry . it pisses me right the fuck off and the games companies are at…

How is the Enforcer system related in any way to technical roles?

Since you didn't seem to get it, the Enforcers are people that 'volunteer' for parts of the event in exchange for free tickets to attend the rest.

Re: About the Penny Arcade Job Posting

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Post by doktrin »

Nothing about this job seems equitable. There appears to be literally 0 reward for making added sacrifices and taking on the additional duties called for.

Financial gain? Nope. World class technological challenges? Still no. Work life balance? Obviously not. Solving meaningful problems? No. Name recognition or industry stepping stone? Maybe, but highly mitigated by the fact that any serious applicant would be qualified for more valuable positions elsewhere.

Is this job squarely aimed at die hard PA fan-people? What about them as an organization is particularly exciting?

Re: About the Penny Arcade Job Posting

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Post by swang »

wvenable wrote: post #32
jonknee wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... And they got it right . The employee confirmed what was in the job posting and what people had issues with (so many different roles, ridiculous hours, low pay, etc). It's not that hard: Want a programmer? Hire one. Want a web developer? Hire one. Want a system administrator? Hire one. Hire two if you have any type of 24/7 on call requirement (it's not remotely reasonable to expect one individual to be on call 24/…

I disagree. In a small company, everyone takes on multiple roles -- so why can't a single person be a programmer, web developer, system administrator? I've done that job many times. The only issue is if the workload is more than one person can handle. In this case, the work sounds like it's only slightly more than a one-person job and it's unfortunate he's not paid accordingly.

Generally you are required to take on multiple roles at a small company because there is no other choice. There are no funds to hire the proper people to do it. It's either do it or go bust.

Penny Arcade is not a small company in that sense. They definitely _could_ hire the right 4 people to work there, but instead they want to just pay 1 person to do that job.

While I am sure you were competent enough to do 3 jobs, you are probably not as good at all 3 as someone who focuses primarily on one of those roles. But you forget this is for 4 jobs, and they want 1 person to do all that within their regular bounds of a job where they expect you to be on call 24/7. Oh and they want to pay you below market rates to do all 4 of them. I think that is what every is angry about.

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