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US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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Europe has an ocean to keep most of its poorer would-be neighbors away. You can't wave away geography. The US is comparable to Europe, not one country in Europe.

Which is this ocean you are talking about? Because Europe has only the Atlantic Ocean on its West and the nearest countries on the Other side of the Atlantic are the US and Canada.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean

PG's scale of levels of disagreement in discourse, that's like a negative 4.

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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> So he can gleefully ignore it, as he is, correctly, doing. Ignoring it would mean "never base your action on that decision". However, now he can't travel to France or any of the french territories (Martinique etc.). That's not what I'd call ignoring. It's a shitty situation: Fined for invalid reasons in a trial where you never had a chance to fight.

Yes, other countries have silly laws. I'm sure if you set up a blog complaining about the king of Swaziland, for instance, and his predilection for selecting an additional wife, willing or not, every year from the selection of bare-breasted virgin teenage girls paraded before him[1], you might not want to visit that particular corner of Africa. But the reach of Swazi or French laws is limited unless you visit Swazi o…

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Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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Not surprising, there is no free speech in France. Especially when it comes to crooked banks or politicians. France is a strange country that likes to give lessons about democracy to the rest of the world, but when you look at things closer, France is closer to a monarchy than a democracy. Everything is so centralised that information usually comes from an single source of truth, that journalist dont even bother ques…

> Not surprising, there is no free speech in France. Entirely false, except if you mean ABSOLUTE free speech. In this case I would argue no country has one. I guess you come from the US? See : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_excep... > Especially when it comes to crooked banks or politicians. Weren't we talking about the 1% recently where you live? > France is closer to a monarchy than a democr…

If there were really ABSOLUTE free speech in France, how is it the French blogger in the story was fined ten thousand euros?

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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If I understand you correctly, I think it has to do with the fact that their narratives don't align with the information. And that's only if the sources are credible (to them), the bias isn't obvious/against the readers bias, and the facts are presented clearly to them (presentation). So the major barrier to what you & I enjoy as the internet for people to adopt in my opinion, are the communication barriers we all fa…

I think I would have to agree with your opinion about banding together in common ideology, but I'm not sure about the stronger part (what that means to me). What I mean by that is that I haven't (nor do I think I will ever fully) decide(d) if that becoming stronger is to exert that influence over other ways of thinking/being or to become stronger so that me as the individual can live and move about the earth as freel…

All the best!

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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Please stop playing their game. The 1%, or maybe the 0.01%, wants the rest of us to fight stupidly over which country is better. "My laws are better", "your banks are crap" etc

This is a world wide class warfare we are living. Don't play the countries confrontation games. Don't be their pawn.

We the people should be together against the powerful ones and demand our rights everywhere, not just in our country.

We need to globalize justice, not just the economy.

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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Google does (or did?, I only use the browser search field) that to the search page URL as well.

And that's maddening. If I want to search some english terms, the easiest way to get meaningfull results it by tunneling my query through some computer at the US. Google just assumes that everybody can only speach one language, and is only intersted in one country, even when explicitly told otherwise.

Well, you can also install the Google SSL search plugin in Firefox to get rid of this madness.

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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post #137

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How is freer, a wealthy, educated, socially mobile person with healthcare who can't say certain things, or a starving person who can say anything they like? There's a difference between "defacto freedom" and "dejure" freedom.

Do you think Patrick Henry said "Give me liberty, or give me death" - do you think John Hancock signed his name so big to attract the personal attention of King George III - do you think the American troops starving to death at Valley Forge in the winter of 1778 went up against the best military in the world - because they thought they would be better off without freedom?

What good is a phone call, if you're unable to speak?

I mean don't get me wrong, I'm super opposed to anything that limits freedom of speech for instance, but I would think twice before saying that Americans are freer than the French once taking into account socioeconomic factors.

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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post #93

I think Tim O'Reilly or Jeff Jarvis or Clay Shirky (unfortunately I don't have the bookmark anymore) already addressed this: The case is a prime example that what you write is not only the jurisdiction where you write it , but also the jurisdiction where people read it . (And the jurisdiction where it stored and where it is going through as network traffic.)

what you write is not only the jurisdiction I think you a word there. It's fairly absurd to say anyone who posts anything online should follow the laws of all places where whatever they posted could be read.

If you publish something, it can be read everywhere. There should be no surprise that people will judge your words based on their customs, on their laws, on their terms, and they will act within their jurisdiction.

But that goes both ways: if a "Nigerian prince" scams you, you will not stop just because you were originally out of his jurisdiction.

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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So you copied his content and were mad that he included text which noted you copied his content?

Ctrl+C means copy the text, with optional formatting. It doesn't mean "run a script", and this little trick implies two things: first, that the author is going to assume that anyone who copies text is trying to steal the content without attribution; secondly, that having been corrected in your naughty ways, you'll blithely accept the link he's pasted in there. It's a web faux-pas, the equivalent of having your whole…

"his content"

It's not yours. He can do what he wants with it.

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