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Re: America's underground market for adopted children

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Post by pyre »

rdl wrote: post #26
silencio wrote: post #25

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Which SPCA were you looking into? When I went to go adopt a cat with my fiancé, the SF SPCA were so upfront about known problems with the cats they had that I was surprised because it wasn't something I had really considered. We ended up adopting a cat from SF Animal Care & Control in the end since the SPCA had no more younger-than-5-years cats to adopt that day. SF ACC (and I assume SF SPCA too) not only test for he…

The really bad cases were in Singapore. I'm probably waiting until I buy/rent a house in WA next year, so maybe up in Bellevue I'll look, but one of the world's top 5 Russian Blue breeders is in Hillsborough, and she offered one of her retired show cats, which might be better than a kitten. The advantage of a kitten is I want to train the cat to be comfortable in cars, as well as (ideally) to use a toilet. Show cats…

IIRC, cats that are trained to use a toilet have issues when they get older. You might want to look into that.

Re: America's underground market for adopted children

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Post by triangleman »

w1ntermute wrote: post #23
gambiting wrote: post #16

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I wouldn't consider your opinion well thought through.

Well, you're wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country Protip: next time, try doing some basic research before making an uneducated comment.

"You're wrong" and then linking to wikipedia? This is what "pros" do?

Re: America's underground market for adopted children

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Post by cfjedimaster »

enko wrote: post #22
x0x0 wrote: post #12

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It's not that they will paper over problems a child has; if you read other sources they will outright lie. I also recall reading, unfortunately an article that I can no longer find, that China and Russia would often give severely challenged children to US adoptive parents. The article also emphasizes that the US government, both federal and state, offers virtually no help to the parents and highlights a case where th…

> China and Russia would often give severely challenged children to US adoptive parents About 2 years ago I was watching a documentary about china-to-america adoptions on japanese television. While the point was never explicitly raised, the viewer could not help but notice that most or all of the children up for adoption - no interested chinese parents having being found - were, and there's no nice way to say this, q…

I'm currently in China now adopting my fourth child. I would not agree with this comment, although obviously I'm biased. When you adopt you have the choice between accepting a child that is healthy and one with special needs. Sometimes these needs are severe, sometimes minor. If you accept a child with special needs, the wait for placement can be much quicker. That is what we did and our child has a minor issue that can be corrected with cosmetic-level surgery. In my opinion, that is nothing. But to be clear, there are perfectly healthy children open for adoption as well.

I've seen multiple people now talk about how unprepared the adoptive parents seemed to be. From my view, this is the minority. We are currently at the end of our stay and are at a hotel with maybe 10-15 other families. Every one we've spoken to were very prepared and knew what they were getting into.

Re: America's underground market for adopted children

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Post by rglovejoy »

samstave wrote: post #17

If you have not seen it, please watch the Conspiracy Of Silence documentary. Also - if you are unaware, you should look into Johnny Gosh/Jeff Gannon and how he relates to the Bush/Republican party with respect to the information revealed in the Conspiracy of Silence.

I see that I'm too late to downvote you. You're talking about a hoax: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_child_prostitution_rin...

Re: America's underground market for adopted children

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Post by samstave »

rglovejoy wrote: post #34
samstave wrote: post #17

If you have not seen it, please watch the Conspiracy Of Silence documentary. Also - if you are unaware, you should look into Johnny Gosh/Jeff Gannon and how he relates to the Bush/Republican party with respect to the information revealed in the Conspiracy of Silence.

I see that I'm too late to downvote you. You're talking about a hoax: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_child_prostitution_rin...

Please cite ANYTHING other than that wikipedia. Seriously; I am not saying you are wrong - but I am aware of no credible refutation of this matter - and actually, through my own, personal experience as well as the information I have seen for nearly 2 decades, I cannot dismiss this.

Please provide more info.

When I am in a place of "typing" I can expound on both my experience as well as that which I have seen in this matter

I would appreciate whatever info you could -- I am personally aware of massive child abuse situations that happened here in California.

I suspect you only believe this to be a hoax only because you cant fathom the people involved. An written article does not refute reality - so you're on (my) hook to defend your claims.

Re: America's underground market for adopted children

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Post by enko »

cfjedimaster wrote: post #33
enko wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> China and Russia would often give severely challenged children to US adoptive parents About 2 years ago I was watching a documentary about china-to-america adoptions on japanese television. While the point was never explicitly raised, the viewer could not help but notice that most or all of the children up for adoption - no interested chinese parents having being found - were, and there's no nice way to say this, q…

I'm currently in China now adopting my fourth child. I would not agree with this comment, although obviously I'm biased. When you adopt you have the choice between accepting a child that is healthy and one with special needs. Sometimes these needs are severe, sometimes minor. If you accept a child with special needs, the wait for placement can be much quicker. That is what we did and our child has a minor issue that…

Well, I'd certainly never pretend to have the first-hand experience you have! I was only reporting my impressions from a TV documentary, 2 years ago. I don't even remember which area it was, or the program's name. You obviously seem to know what you're doing; maybe my impressions were incorrect, or the program spun it that way.

As for the kids - don't get me wrong, plenty were healthy; but they did not conform to normal asian notions of physical attractiveness. The unavoidable conclusion was that the chinese adoptive parents, who had first choice, cared greatly about this factor, whereas the americans either couldn't tell or didn't care.

Re: America's underground market for adopted children

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Post by w1ntermute »

triangleman wrote: post #32
w1ntermute wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you're wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country Protip: next time, try doing some basic research before making an uneducated comment.

"You're wrong" and then linking to wikipedia? This is what "pros" do?

Feel free to look at the sources cited in the wiki article if you're not convinced. Hint: they're quite reputable.

Re: America's underground market for adopted children

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Post by rdl »

pyre wrote: post #31
rdl wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The really bad cases were in Singapore. I'm probably waiting until I buy/rent a house in WA next year, so maybe up in Bellevue I'll look, but one of the world's top 5 Russian Blue breeders is in Hillsborough, and she offered one of her retired show cats, which might be better than a kitten. The advantage of a kitten is I want to train the cat to be comfortable in cars, as well as (ideally) to use a toilet. Show cats…

IIRC, cats that are trained to use a toilet have issues when they get older. You might want to look into that.

Yeah, on further research, I think I'll just get a super-automatic litter box. It's not just when they're older; it's when they're at a vet, in transit, etc.
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