I if ever become so weak as a man that I would vote someone else's conscience instead of my own, then on that day, Mr. Adams, be my guest: Kill me.
I Hope My Father Dies Soon
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#192Breathing pure nitrogen is a quick and painless way to die.
Indeed and I wish this was closer to the top than here at the bottom.
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
You've lowered the bar a bit there, don't you think? Now I have to claim it's an "entirely" secular political viewpoint? The reality is both sides of any political question are made up of different viewpoints. Sure, there were people on my side who were coming from a religious viewpoint. But there were also a lot of people who thought the husband's position is hopelessly compromised by his own interests, and since he…
You've actually changed my mind here. My original contention was that the only reason someone would care about a power-of-attorney dispute over someone they had never heard of and had been in a coma for 15 years was religious. You've proven me wrong and changed my mind, though -- apparently secular "go team" loyalty to party is enough on it's own, without sharing religious views or really any reason to care besides r…
>You've proven me wrong and changed my mind, though -- apparently secular "go team" loyalty to party is enough on it's own, without sharing religious views or really any reason to care besides rooting for the home team.
Which is something I've always suspected about the people who sided with the husband. Thanks for the confirmation.
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
You've actually changed my mind here. My original contention was that the only reason someone would care about a power-of-attorney dispute over someone they had never heard of and had been in a coma for 15 years was religious. You've proven me wrong and changed my mind, though -- apparently secular "go team" loyalty to party is enough on it's own, without sharing religious views or really any reason to care besides r…
>You've proven me wrong and changed my mind, though -- apparently secular "go team" loyalty to party is enough on it's own, without sharing religious views or really any reason to care besides rooting for the home team. Which is something I've always suspected about the people who sided with the husband. Thanks for the confirmation.
I can't speak for everyone, but I thought that it should be decided by the county/state court who's jurisdiction it was in. I know nothing about power-of-attorney disputes, and way less about the particulars of this case than you seem to. But I know the president shouldn't be signing legislation aimed at a single power-of-attorney dispute that happens to be a national controversy for some dumb reason.
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#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
I never said they are. It was to illustrate Christianity's generally positive outlook on suffering as a trial.
One of the most prominent examples can be found in Mother Teresa of Calcuta, who had some disturbing ideas about suffering. To the point of denying painkillers to terminal patients.
Has this ever been conclusively documented? I've seen accusations by some and denials by those close to her, but never any proof of the claim.
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
>You've proven me wrong and changed my mind, though -- apparently secular "go team" loyalty to party is enough on it's own, without sharing religious views or really any reason to care besides rooting for the home team. Which is something I've always suspected about the people who sided with the husband. Thanks for the confirmation.
I can't speak for everyone, but I thought that it should be decided by the county/state court who's jurisdiction it was in. I know nothing about power-of-attorney disputes, and way less about the particulars of this case than you seem to. But I know the president shouldn't be signing legislation aimed at a single power-of-attorney dispute that happens to be a national controversy for some dumb reason.
Oh, well, if you're talking about the politics side I agree with you. It was a Florida case and the federal government should never have been involved.
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't speak for everyone, but I thought that it should be decided by the county/state court who's jurisdiction it was in. I know nothing about power-of-attorney disputes, and way less about the particulars of this case than you seem to. But I know the president shouldn't be signing legislation aimed at a single power-of-attorney dispute that happens to be a national controversy for some dumb reason.
Oh, well, if you're talking about the politics side I agree with you. It was a Florida case and the federal government should never have been involved.
But they were involved, and the reasons for that were entirely political. Those congressmen and President Bush didn't give a crap about the dispute at hand, and they didn't have deep feelings about the jurisprudence. It was entirely about 'right to life'. You flip the script and they'd have been supporting the husband and slandering the parents.
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#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh, well, if you're talking about the politics side I agree with you. It was a Florida case and the federal government should never have been involved.
But they were involved, and the reasons for that were entirely political. Those congressmen and President Bush didn't give a crap about the dispute at hand, and they didn't have deep feelings about the jurisprudence. It was entirely about 'right to life'. You flip the script and they'd have been supporting the husband and slandering the parents.
You're probably making some unwarranted assumptions here. I think George Bush did a lot of things because he felt they were the right thing to do even though they hurt him politically. Everybody says that's what they want in a politician, but nobody really wants that.
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#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the Christian right insists that the agony be prolonged to a maximum I'm not aware of anyone of any ideological stripe who insists disproportionate medical measures must be taken to keep somebody alive. On the other hand, the Hippocratic oath far predates Christ. By the way, I'm not sure you understand Christianity's relationship to the bible. It's a small minority of Christians who subscribe to anything like the s…
It doesn't matter what the scriptures say when the religion praises and sanctifies people like Mother Teresa. Suffering-worship is alive and well in Catholic practices. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Mother_Teresa http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/04/mother-teresa-myth_...
I think what people praise in mother Theresa is her dedication to the poor. I think most people aren't aware of many of her more controversial positions.
Also it's hard to still talk about "the religion" when you separate it from its scripture; there are about as many views on Christianity as there are people in the world.
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#200Since this concerns the U.S. government, I'll say that the vendetta against euthanasia and doctor-assisted suicide by the Christian right is puzzling. The Bible has a very ambivalent view on suicide (as with any other topic), the tale of Samson being a prime example. The main argument against suicide comes from Corinthians, but it is starkly contradicted by other passages. A person who is slowly succumbing, immobile,…
The bible doesn't condemn suicide(or abortion) anywhere in it directly. However, as with any good moral book, it is ambiguous. You can use it advocate any position you chose. > Yet the Christian right insists that the agony be prolonged to a maximum. Christianity didn't always hold this view. I suppose some of the movement comes from the commandment "Thou shall not kill". Of course that is a very poor translation. A…
> The bible doesn't condemn suicide(or abortion) anywhere in it directly. However, as with any good moral book, it is ambiguous.
On abortion, it's surprisingly unambiguous. Kill an unborn baby, pay a fine to the parents. That's it. It even says this immediately after saying murderers should be put to death. It's in one of the harshest parts of the bible (Leviticus, I believe), and yet abortion is only a misdemeanor.