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I Hope My Father Dies Soon

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Re: I Hope My Father Dies Soon

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Since this concerns the U.S. government, I'll say that the vendetta against euthanasia and doctor-assisted suicide by the Christian right is puzzling. The Bible has a very ambivalent view on suicide (as with any other topic), the tale of Samson being a prime example. The main argument against suicide comes from Corinthians, but it is starkly contradicted by other passages. A person who is slowly succumbing, immobile,…

Most folk would choose everything medically possible to be performed to keep them going for another 24 hours. Why question medicine and ethics when you can kick a Christian instead?

>>Most folk would choose everything medically possible to be performed to keep them going for another 24 hours

And by "most" you mean people who would have a _quality_ 24 hours. Because the person of subject in this article certainly wouldn't have made that choice. He couldn't; his mind was gone.

Re: I Hope My Father Dies Soon

#62

Since this concerns the U.S. government, I'll say that the vendetta against euthanasia and doctor-assisted suicide by the Christian right is puzzling. The Bible has a very ambivalent view on suicide (as with any other topic), the tale of Samson being a prime example. The main argument against suicide comes from Corinthians, but it is starkly contradicted by other passages. A person who is slowly succumbing, immobile,…

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Re: I Hope My Father Dies Soon

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Wow. This touches home with me on many levels. I lost my parents a few years ago. Both suffered. I lost several other close family members who also suffered. And just last week somebody I was close to told me they were dying of cancer. And I'm a libertarian that strongly believes that government should keep its nose out of my life. So, of course, I'm going to play devil's advocate, at least a bit. Because if you can'…

It's something else if the state requires doctors to assist you, or the state requires insurance companies to require doctors to assist you.

I think you're arguing against an argument nobody made. People who advocate for the legalization of assisted-suicide just want the person who does the assistance to not be persecuted.

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Most folk would choose everything medically possible to be performed to keep them going for another 24 hours. Why question medicine and ethics when you can kick a Christian instead?

>>Most folk would choose everything medically possible to be performed to keep them going for another 24 hours And by "most" you mean people who would have a _quality_ 24 hours. Because the person of subject in this article certainly wouldn't have made that choice. He couldn't; his mind was gone.

And there's the rub.. you can't be certain.

Re: I Hope My Father Dies Soon

#65

Since this concerns the U.S. government, I'll say that the vendetta against euthanasia and doctor-assisted suicide by the Christian right is puzzling. The Bible has a very ambivalent view on suicide (as with any other topic), the tale of Samson being a prime example. The main argument against suicide comes from Corinthians, but it is starkly contradicted by other passages. A person who is slowly succumbing, immobile,…

On really?

Christians back change in assisted suicide law, poll finds: http://www.jacquelinejencquel.com/post/christians-back-chang...

By the way, it's great that you generalize an entire group because of your preconceived biases against them. Imagine if you changed the word "Christians" to "Muslims" or "blacks". Do you realize how bigoted you sound?

Re: I Hope My Father Dies Soon

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My father was murdered about 10 years ago and really the only solace in the situation is that he was pretty sick at the time and would have suffered through the rest of his life and he was only 47 at the time. My mom has repeatedly told me she has no desire to get to an elderly age, like her mother is now. All I know is perspective on this stuff evolves over the years. On another note, the only good thing about peopl…

I'm sorry for your loss, that's terrible, but at least you can find some peace in it. :(

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Life is a slippery slope. We need to deal with death like grownups. To address your fears, we should have simple, straightforward protocols for how this would work.

I would say exactly the opposite. To the extent euthanasia might be called for we need unspoken nod and furtive protocols. Explicitly legitimized murder by doctors is a horrible idea.

You're not really giving any reasons why you oppose it. I am for it because it would greatly reduce suffering.

Re: I Hope My Father Dies Soon

#68

Since this concerns the U.S. government, I'll say that the vendetta against euthanasia and doctor-assisted suicide by the Christian right is puzzling. The Bible has a very ambivalent view on suicide (as with any other topic), the tale of Samson being a prime example. The main argument against suicide comes from Corinthians, but it is starkly contradicted by other passages. A person who is slowly succumbing, immobile,…

> The religion is notably fascinated with martyrdom

Martyrdom and suicide are nothing alike. To a Christian at least.

About the same time I read a solemn flippancy by some free thinker: he said that a suicide was only the same as a martyr. The open fallacy of this helped to clear the question. Obviously a suicide is the opposite of a martyr. A martyr is a man who cares so much for something outside him, that he forgets his own personal life. A suicide is a man who cares so little for anything outside him, that he wants to see the last of everything. One wants something to begin: the other wants everything to end. In other words, the martyr is noble, exactly because (however he renounces the world or execrates all humanity) he confesses this ultimate link with life; he sets his heart outside himself: he dies that something may live. The suicide is ignoble because he has not this link with being: he is a mere destroyer; spiritually, he destroys the universe. And then I remembered the stake and the cross-roads, and the queer fact that Christianity had shown this weird harshness to the suicide. For Christianity had shown a wild encouragement of the martyr. Historic Christianity was accused, not entirely without reason, of carrying martyrdom and asceticism to a point, desolate and pessimistic. The early Christian martyrs talked of death with a horrible happiness. They blasphemed the beautiful duties of the body: they smelt the grave afar off like a field of flowers. All this has seemed to many the very poetry of pessimism. Yet there is the stake at the crossroads to show what Christianity thought of the pessimist.

http://www.leaderu.com/cyber/books/orthodoxy/ch5.html

Re: I Hope My Father Dies Soon

#69

Physician assisted suicide is a super slippery slope. I'm stunned when thinking people advocate.

I disagree entirely with you. That comes from an emotional place though as I had to watch my amazing grandmother die a slow painful death of suffocation for nearly three years. She begged to die, but we could do nothing. My grandfather (who was with her for over 50 years) confided to me that he considered quite heavily granting her wish, but the threat of legal persecution meant he couldn't. At least she got to be at home for those years, and when she finally passed, it was over quickly.

Re: I Hope My Father Dies Soon

#70

Wow. This touches home with me on many levels. I lost my parents a few years ago. Both suffered. I lost several other close family members who also suffered. And just last week somebody I was close to told me they were dying of cancer. And I'm a libertarian that strongly believes that government should keep its nose out of my life. So, of course, I'm going to play devil's advocate, at least a bit. Because if you can'…

It is important to understand that unless you build an "extreme" living will (food and water denial), there are many circumstances where you will still be tortured indefinitely. I speak from family experience. My father suffered many strokes towards the end. This caused neuropathic pain ... completely untreatable pain coming from inside his brain (primary somatic sensory cortex). He lost his ability to speak, move, a…

Thank you for sharing this.
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