Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion

fide.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

221–230 of 258 posts

Re: Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion

#221

Post by sejje »

ternaryoperator wrote: post #167
jrs99 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you see many, many people getting obsessed with a game, and you think it's boring, it's usually a sign that you're not understanding something. Go and no limit poker are getting massively popular. They are both like chess, but much less tactical and a lot more strategical games. In other words, computers can't beat the best players in these games yet. For whatever reasons, the status of games is somewhat related t…

> Go and no limit poker are getting massively popular. They are both like chess. Go is, poker is not. The key difference is that in go and chess, all the information about the game is known by both parties. That's not true in poker, where each player has data that's intentionally hidden from the other players.

You've named one difference. There's many, many commonalities.

Re: Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion

#222

Post by sejje »

flud43 wrote: post #190
lukev wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there any legal or quasi-legal ways to play online poker in the US, currently?

Keep forgetting about Black Friday. You can buy a PokerStars account from people in Bolivia/Germany/etc. and use a VPN to connect. I know a few people doing this. There's a new online site in Nevada right now, only for Nevada residents, but I hear it's a pretty big failure. New Jersey is very close to releasing it's own online poker site as well. On top of that I think most US players play on iPoker skins (black chip…

I think "technically illegal" should be defined here.

I played professionally a few years back, so this was my understanding of the law then, and I haven't heard of any changes:

It's perfectly legal, as a player, to play. Laws have been created that prevent banks from transferring money to and from poker sites.

When Black Friday happened, it was primarily because poker sites were committing fraud to work with banks to process payments.

There are still sites operating, however they take very, very long to process payments, limit cashouts to a point where professional play is not possible, and can suffer the same fate as the big three sites did on Black Friday.

Re: Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion

#223

Post by sejje »

lukev wrote: post #135
flud43 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should really give No Limit Hold'em or Pot Limit Omaha a try. Poker is a game of astounding complexity once you start taking it seriously and it's quite fun. Combine that with the ability to take a small bankroll, $100 or whatever you're comfortable using as seed money, and turn it into a roll sufficient for high stakes poker (with enough dedication and time) and it truly does become quite an amazing game to play…

Are there any legal or quasi-legal ways to play online poker in the US, currently?

Not any good ones, no.

All of my professional-playing friends quit or moved out of country after Black Friday.

You can bypass location restrictions with VPN, but you also need a foreign bank account and can be caught and have your funds seized.

Re: Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion

#224

Post by sejje »

flud43 wrote: post #92
aaronetz wrote: post #24

Does anyone know some good alternatives to chess, as a game that mixes deep thought and aesthetic variety? I tried Go, but found it somewhat boring compared to chess, because of its uniformity (which, on the other hand, has the advantage of beautiful simplicity and symmetry.) On another note: it is unfortunate, in my opinion, that chess has a special standing among board games. I would love to see some more variety i…

You should really give No Limit Hold'em or Pot Limit Omaha a try. Poker is a game of astounding complexity once you start taking it seriously and it's quite fun. Combine that with the ability to take a small bankroll, $100 or whatever you're comfortable using as seed money, and turn it into a roll sufficient for high stakes poker (with enough dedication and time) and it truly does become quite an amazing game to play…

FWIW, this is called run-good.

It's unlikely your $200 was a proper bankroll when you started, and it's even more unlikely that you or anyone else could consistently replicate these results (when starting out).

That said, I'm an ex-husng player, and played them professionally for three years, and I don't disagree with your overall message. Poker is a wonderful game, heads-up play is great and has almost no boring parts, and you can conceivably make a living at it if you put in your time and manage your money well.

How are the games these days? When I played it was primarily before superturbos, and I three-tabled $105s on FTP for just under a 60% winrate and 14% ROI.

I imagine the average player has really upped their game, though, and that the regulars these days would crush me on average--I'm rusty and the game has matured.

Re: Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion

#225

Post by icelancer »

ktd wrote: post #88

This is actually a good example of why I'm not particularly interested in chess anymore-- a game that's that heavy on draws and where so many of the situations are adaptations of well-known positions simply isn't that thrilling. I really enjoyed chess when I was a kid, but the better I became and the more I learned about it the less I found it a compelling game.

Fischer et al saw it coming decades ago, unfortunately.

Re: Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion

#226

Post by e2e8 »

primitivesuave wrote: post #178
edias wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will be interesting to see if Chess, or other boardgames for the matter, will benefit from streaming services as much as video games have. I've seen the Chess-Network on twitch.tv break 1k viewers which is tiny compared to the 300k League of Lengends and Dota 2 tournaments but still a substantial amount regardless.

I get really annoyed with the commentators on Chess Network, they have a tendency to overanalyze and talk way too much. The best commentator I've found is an Australian named Mato: youtube.com/matojelic

Your first sentence is confusing me, so I just want to clarify. Chess Network is one guy name Jerry who streams on twitch and uploads videos on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/user/ChessNetwork http://www.twitch.tv/ChessNetwork

Re: Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion

#227

Post by maaaats »

booop wrote: post #213
sethbannon wrote: post #2

I'm super excited to see the impact this will have on our noble game. I think it could see a real surge in popularity in the years ahead. And at the age of 22, Magnus is only just getting started.

Chess champions come and go, but why would Magnus becoming the champion affect the game any differently than his predecessors?

The first obvious one is that he is from the western world. No matter what may be politically correct, that will be positive in the western world compared to a Russian or Indian having the title.

Secondly, he is young, athletic and smart, getting a lot of media attention.

Re: Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion

#228

Post by asdfologist »

McUsr wrote: post #182

I am Norwegian and fucking proud of it right now, due to Magnus Carlsen. He comes from a Nation consisting of 5 mill. people, compared to Anand's billion people. This is probably the greatest sports achievement our country will ever make, as there are really no comparable sports achievements in the world, not now, anyway. IMHO: They should knight him the second he gets of the plane when he returns home. Because no ot…

I don't understand at all the point to these negative replies to this comment. Magnus Carlsen made Norwegians happy because he accomplished something of great honor to that country. Is this really that absurd?

Re: Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion

#229

Post by ktd »

elliptic wrote: post #187
ktd wrote: post #88

This is actually a good example of why I'm not particularly interested in chess anymore-- a game that's that heavy on draws and where so many of the situations are adaptations of well-known positions simply isn't that thrilling. I really enjoyed chess when I was a kid, but the better I became and the more I learned about it the less I found it a compelling game.

I don't understand - when you made this decision, did you expect that you were going to be good enough so that these features of chess (draws and deep, well-studied opening theory) were going to be relevant to you?

>I don't understand - when you made this decision, did you expect that you were going to be good enough so that these features of chess (draws and deep, well-studied opening theory) were going to be relevant to you?

Yeah. I played chess competitively as a kid, attending state tournaments, taking lessons outside of school, and so on. However, I found that the more I got into it and better I became, the less appealing it seemed.

Ironically, I felt that chess between relative amateurs was much more interesting than chess between more skilled players, because the improvisational component that I loved was much more relevant when people hadn't been going through the opening books.

Re: Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion

#230

Post by macspoofing »

rthomas6 wrote: post #148
Segmentation wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comparing a centuries old board game with completely balanced rules, to an infant video game that still has major balance problems (if you looked hard enough), is silly. Chess is as balanced as it gets.

Well... perfect balance has yet to be proven. But it's certainly better than Starcraft, at any rate.

How do you know?
Post reply on HN