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Re: Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion

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Post by dasil003 »

KVFinn wrote: post #163
Segmentation wrote: post #142

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Comparing a centuries old board game with completely balanced rules, to an infant video game that still has major balance problems (if you looked hard enough), is silly. Chess is as balanced as it gets.

>Chess is as balanced as it gets. It's "balanced" in some respects but both sides use the same features and most games end in a draw, and high level play is less and less interesting. And for that matter it's not even balanced really -- tournaments have players play both white and black because they are so inequal. This is like balancing starcraft by having everyone play mirror matchups or swap races. >So Anand encou…

So is it safe to say you consider Go the superior game?

Re: Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion

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Post by McUsr »

I am Norwegian and fucking proud of it right now, due to Magnus Carlsen.

He comes from a Nation consisting of 5 mill. people, compared to Anand's billion people.

This is probably the greatest sports achievement our country will ever make, as there are really no comparable sports achievements in the world, not now, anyway.

IMHO: They should knight him the second he gets of the plane when he returns home. Because no other Norwegian has ever accomplished anything close to this, with regards to bring honour to our nation.

Gratuler Magnus!

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Post by jmilloy »

TylerE wrote: post #169
jmilloy wrote: post #165

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Right, this just seems like basic card tracking and reasoning, which is fun when figuring it out, and then not fun once it becomes routine. When you present a situation with only two options and one is worse than the other, you will have a hard time convincing me there is a lot of depth. On the other hand, for the declarer it is just business as usual: you try to navigate the tricks making as few guesses as possible.…

If you're doing that routinely, and actually getting it right, you could make a good living playing professionally. Either you were very, very good, or there was a lot of depth you were missing out on.

I take your point, and I'm enjoying discussing this. I was never all that good, although we did find the time for a dozen hands or so a day for months at a time. I just remember being bored by the "deeper" things, which my friends (those who were much better players) found interesting. Which is mainly to say, as the OP was bored by go, he may also be bored by bridge.

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Post by veridies »

dccoolgai wrote: post #175
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #54

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Magic: the Gathering? It's a game of infinite possibilities and strategies and has a big meta game around it, too. Plus collectibles. Plus cool artwork. Plus good apps.

Used to love MTG. Now I play Dominion more - because "building the deck" (which was always the most fun part for me) is part of the game and it's decided more by skill than who can buy the better cards (i.e. at start of every game each player has a statistically equal opportunity to get each card.) It's huge in the "board game geek" scene, so apologies if you already know of it...but if you like MTG, I'd highly recom…

Another thing I really love about Dominion (from a purely aesthetic standpoint) is that the cards are, like chess, mostly archtypical. It doesn't have any of the sort of fantasy or sci-fi lore that permeates a lot of tabletop games and which can easily turn people off.

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Post by emidln »

phaus wrote: post #119
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The netdeck argument is probably for a different site, but I strongly believe that MTG as a tournament format benefits enormously from widely available top-performing decklists, video and text coverage, and articles on deck strategy as well game tactics with particular decks or deck archetypes.

The publicity definitely helped the game grow, but at the same time, people who play tournaments rarely deviate from decks based on the ones that the pros are using.

The people who play tournament chess rarely deviate from proven opening sequences as well. As such, publishing move by move accounts of Chess tournaments for documentation and study hinders creativity. See what I did there?

Re: Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion

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Post by elliptic »

ktd wrote: post #88

This is actually a good example of why I'm not particularly interested in chess anymore-- a game that's that heavy on draws and where so many of the situations are adaptations of well-known positions simply isn't that thrilling. I really enjoyed chess when I was a kid, but the better I became and the more I learned about it the less I found it a compelling game.

I don't understand - when you made this decision, did you expect that you were going to be good enough so that these features of chess (draws and deep, well-studied opening theory) were going to be relevant to you?

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Post by sohailk »

coob wrote: post #27
kadabra9 wrote: post #10

Reading more about this match and Magnus in general, I learned of a measure termed "Nettlesomeness" which has been used to measure which players do the most to make their opponents to make mistakes. Magnus, with his highly creative style of play and unexpected moves, not surprisingly ranks the highest in this measure. He seems to have this remarkable gift of making moves which aren't just strong, they get inside his…

This reminds me of the sorry of Deep Blue's buggy randomness causing Kasperov to freak out: http://www.wired.com/playbook/2012/09/deep-blue-computer-bug...

Not a bug, it was a feature.

Re: Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion

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Post by qdog »

dccoolgai wrote: post #175
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #54

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Magic: the Gathering? It's a game of infinite possibilities and strategies and has a big meta game around it, too. Plus collectibles. Plus cool artwork. Plus good apps.

Used to love MTG. Now I play Dominion more - because "building the deck" (which was always the most fun part for me) is part of the game and it's decided more by skill than who can buy the better cards (i.e. at start of every game each player has a statistically equal opportunity to get each card.) It's huge in the "board game geek" scene, so apologies if you already know of it...but if you like MTG, I'd highly recom…

I've played Dominion, it's kind of interesting. Magic has 'Draft' and 'Cube' formats where deckbuilding with whatever you end up with is important, but it is indeed expensive.

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Post by flud43 »

lukev wrote: post #135
flud43 wrote: post #92

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You should really give No Limit Hold'em or Pot Limit Omaha a try. Poker is a game of astounding complexity once you start taking it seriously and it's quite fun. Combine that with the ability to take a small bankroll, $100 or whatever you're comfortable using as seed money, and turn it into a roll sufficient for high stakes poker (with enough dedication and time) and it truly does become quite an amazing game to play…

Are there any legal or quasi-legal ways to play online poker in the US, currently?

Keep forgetting about Black Friday. You can buy a PokerStars account from people in Bolivia/Germany/etc. and use a VPN to connect. I know a few people doing this. There's a new online site in Nevada right now, only for Nevada residents, but I hear it's a pretty big failure. New Jersey is very close to releasing it's own online poker site as well.

On top of that I think most US players play on iPoker skins (black chip poker, cake poker, etc.) which allow US players.

But yeah, all of them (apart from the Nevada/New Jersey sites) are technically illegal down there. Most professionals who didn't quit poker altogether and didn't transition to live either moved to Canada or some third world country with no taxes and cheap living to grind.

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